1990 DDR Request 2nd Opinion

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  • emodx
    Member
    • Jun 2018
    • 189

    #1

    Error Multiple Strikes | 1990 DDR Request 2nd Opinion

    So I was going through a few pennies trying to organize a little bit. I originally thought what I saw on the reverse at TDC was oxidation. I put it under some light and realized I might have a DDR. I looked on doubleddie.com but did not find exactly what I am looking at.

    On the reverse of the penny I think I see a doubled die in United States of America starting at 1000 and ends at 0200. I also think I see some double columns the 2nd left and 2nd right from the center. Please give me your opinion. Thanks in advance.

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  • willbrooks
    Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

    • Jan 2012
    • 9477

    #2
    Your coin has split plate doubling on it.
    Split Plate Doubling (Split Line Doubling): This occurs only on copper-plated zinc cents struck from mid 1982 to the present. During the striking of plated cents, the plating is stretched in order to form the raised design elements. Whenever relief is created from a flat surface, there must be expansion of the overall surface area, thereby putting stress on the plating. Sometimes, the plating will split on the rim-side of the devices, exposing the zinc core. The exposure will be in the same shape as the design elements, thereby creating a “doubling” effect. The exposed zinc is blue-ish in color. In addition to the examples shown below, please also see Jason Cuvelier’s thread on the subject Here:


    As for the columns, what you are seeing is part of the design. That is the opening in the wall in the background where Lincoln sits. These are on every cent.
    Last edited by willbrooks; 06-24-2018, 10:54 AM.
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    • emodx
      Member
      • Jun 2018
      • 189

      #3
      Thank you, that was very informative.

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      • emodx
        Member
        • Jun 2018
        • 189

        #4
        Originally posted by willbrooks
        Your coin has split plate doubling on it.
        Split Plate Doubling (Split Line Doubling): This occurs only on copper-plated zinc cents struck from mid 1982 to the present. During the striking of plated cents, the plating is stretched in order to form the raised design elements. Whenever relief is created from a flat surface, there must be expansion of the overall surface area, thereby putting stress on the plating. Sometimes, the plating will split on the rim-side of the devices, exposing the zinc core. The exposure will be in the same shape as the design elements, thereby creating a “doubling” effect. The exposed zinc is blue-ish in color. In addition to the examples shown below, please also see Jason Cuvelier’s thread on the subject Here:


        As for the columns, what you are seeing is part of the design. That is the opening in the wall in the background where Lincoln sits. These are on every cent.
        So is this still considered a minting error? Or would it be a planchet error (garbage in garbage out)?

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        • VAB2013
          Forum Ambassador
          • Nov 2013
          • 12351

          #5
          Not trying to answer for Will, but I wondered myself. I guess it depends if the split plate doubling exists on an actual error coin. If by itself I think it's considered no big deal (trash can, which actually translates to "spend it")

          Here's error-ref.com's link on the subject

          Last edited by VAB2013; 06-24-2018, 11:58 AM.

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          • GrumpyEd
            Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 7229

            #6
            So is this still considered a minting error?
            It's a quality issue not really an error. Of course some people might think anything imperfect is an error.

            To me the difference is, do we really think the mint would not ship a coin or continue to use a die if they saw it. If it's something they make no effort to not ship and it's common, like bubbled plating, split plating, polishing lines, tiny-medium cracks, MD etc... then it's a quality issue.

            We can say they have no value but someone still might like these things if they're neat so I can't say they have no value but to me they're lunch money. Even if I could sell them I wouldn't mostly because I worry that someday the buyer will learn more and feel bad so I'd rather not sell them or assign a value.

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            • jfines69
              Member
              • Jun 2010
              • 28848

              #7
              I'm with the others... One other thing - On the inside of Column 1 (C1) and Column 12 (C12) the is an edge to a column directly behind them... It is part of the design but does not always show up due to die wear and other factors... The columns are from left to right Column 1 (C1) thru Column 12 (C12) and the bays are Bay 1 (B1) thru Bay 11 (B11)!!!
              Jim
              (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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