1986 P weird die crack and clash

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  • Sheila ruley
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    • May 2016
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    #1

    Error Other | 1986 P weird die crack and clash

    This die crack looks like it is a long a clash in the shape of Lincoln‘s forehead , nose, chin and bust. Does anyone else think so? A2B3B849-CA9B-4896-851C-1B2C3F3FCDBF.jpeg 72E1D82E-98F9-4808-9C97-C86B99509DE6.jpeg FB130059-A645-4227-93DD-67D3AC55C446.jpeg 5B741FB7-0F24-4432-A9B9-07F74D0B1E33.jpg AA320E2B-84B2-40E2-87D5-53394A01413F.jpg AA320E2B-84B2-40E2-87D5-53394A01413F.jpg B2B5F9E3-C4A5-4829-A4EC-064994C6A844.jpg
  • jfines69
    Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 28848

    #2
    That is a strange set of cracks... Does the one thru the M of UNUM go to the rim up thru the O in OF??? I would think this would classify as an UDC??? http://cuds-on-coins.com/unusual-die-cracks/
    Jim
    (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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    • Sheila ruley
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      • May 2016
      • 2504

      #3
      Yes, it does go through to the rim.

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      • makecents
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        • Jun 2017
        • 11038

        #4
        Very cool!! I was going to suggest the same thing as Jim! You need to send this to JC. Did you do the toothpick test on the area that looks like a clash? Very nice find Sheila!!

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        • Petespockets55
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          • Dec 2014
          • 6890

          #5
          Am I seeing things again or does it exit through the rim below the C of CENT?

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          • Sheila ruley
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            • May 2016
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            #6
            I cannot see where it goes through The letter C. And, the toothpick test does not cave it in.

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            • VAB2013
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              • Nov 2013
              • 12351

              #7
              Those are a couple of really nice and long die cracks! I am not seeing the shape of the forehead, nose, chin and bust though.

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              • Sheila ruley
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                • May 2016
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                #8
                The first sideways picture kind of looks like a nose shape.

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                • Sheila ruley
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                  • May 2016
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                  #9
                  I seen some of your listings on cuds on coins. Very nice!

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                  • VAB2013
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                    • Nov 2013
                    • 12351

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sheila ruley
                    The first sideways picture kind of looks like a nose shape.
                    Okay now I see where the die crack does resemble Lincoln's nose! Thank you! It's hard to tell about those two marks that could be a die clash. To me they look more like a gas bubble and sometimes those don't deflate. It could be some kind of die damage too, but they don't seem to match up to anything that would be a die clash in those areas. I also think these long die cracks are interesting enough to email to JC to see what he thinks about an unusual die crack listing! Please let us know what you find out from JC!

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                    • VAB2013
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                      • Nov 2013
                      • 12351

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sheila ruley
                      I seen some of your listings on cuds on coins. Very nice!
                      Not sure who you were talking to?? Everyone who has replied to your thread... including yourself... have lots of nice listings on cuds-on-coins! It's fun to scroll down the list in all categories of COC's and see all the LCF names... including Earl's!!!

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                      • stoneman227
                        Member
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 2086

                        #12
                        Might I suggest that it looks to be a plating issue rather than a die crack.
                        One of the photos seems to show the anomaly affecting the area that was formed by the collar which would imply there were matching cracks in the reverse die and the collar.

                        John
                        So sad ... My reverse consumption engine was a broken fuel gauge ... gonna look at coins now. John

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                        • Sheila ruley
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                          • May 2016
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                          #13
                          Sorry for my not being clear. That was for everyone. I thought I worded it right. Sorry about that everyone. All of you guys have awesome looking listings! I enjoy going through them when I get some extra time.

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                          • VAB2013
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                            • Nov 2013
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by stoneman227
                            Might I suggest that it looks to be a plating issue rather than a die crack.
                            One of the photos seems to show the anomaly affecting the area that was formed by the collar which would imply there were matching cracks in the reverse die and the collar.

                            John
                            John, are you talking about where the crack is at T of States and goes to the rim and through the edge of the coin?

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                            • stoneman227
                              Member
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 2086

                              #15
                              That's it Viv . If you look at all the spiked heads that have been found and note where these cracks terminate at the rim, you'll see that they do not wrap over and include the edge. The reason for this is because the edge is formed by the third die, the collar. Both the collar and the reverse die in the case of this coin would have to have cracks terminating in the exact same spot.
                              Also, the collar and the two facial dies do have a tiny bit of space ,or clearance you might say , between them. This is what allows the creation of edge finning. Even if somehow a crackrd collar and a cracked facial die were to line up , there would be a tiny interruption of the raised metal on the coin where the two cracked dies almost but dont precisely touch.
                              Viv , in the same photo, also note the very dark line created by the anomaly as it goes through the E of EPU and the T of STATES. Even the taller design elements don't cast this dark of a shadow . To me this indicates a recessed part of the coins face instead of a raised area that would be caused by a cracked die.

                              John
                              Last edited by stoneman227; 12-01-2018, 04:00 AM.
                              So sad ... My reverse consumption engine was a broken fuel gauge ... gonna look at coins now. John

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