Error CUD | Another 1940-S with a retained cud. Second one I found in the last two days.

[retiredcopper]

Yesterday I posted pictures of a retained cud that I found in a batch of customer rolls that I am searching. This morning, I found another one in the same batch. It appears to be a match to 40-S-11R Stage B. Customer rolls have been very nice to me lately!

[makecents]

You may want to go back and check the listings again Mark. Yours looks to be a dead ringer for an earlier die state of 05R with a changed out obverse, because the mm does not match. Just my two cents!!

LINK to pic of 05R (http://cuds-on-coins.com/wp-content/..._4125-copy.jpg)

Congrats on the find and I hope these rolls keep giving!!

I just realized I was looking at Cuds and not Pre Cuds but I think I'm still right. Check out CU-1c-1940S-05R. (http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-cuds-1940-1942/)

Yours is just the pre Cud version of this Cud.

[VAB2013]

Nice work Jon! It would be really cool if Mark's find is the pre cud of a cud! I was having some terminology questions on pre cud and retained cud last night and found this explanation on cuds-on-coins. It helped, but still a tad complicated

cuds-on-coins.com link to Pre Cud Definition http://cuds-on-coins.com/retained-cuds/

[makecents]

Nice work Jon! It would be really cool if Mark's find is the pre cud of a cud! I was having some terminology questions on pre cud and retained cud last night and found this explanation on cuds-on-coins. It helped, but still a tad complicated

cuds-on-coins.com link to Pre Cud Definition http://cuds-on-coins.com/retained-cuds/

Thanks for the official description Viv!! Well given the obvious displacement at each end, I would have to categorize this as a Cud, not pre-Cud. Wouldn't you?

My bad. It would be a retained Cud, not a Full Cud but not a pre-Cud. It's in the middle.

[VAB2013]

Thanks for the official description Viv!! Well given the obvious displacement at each end, I would have to categorize this as a Cud, not pre-Cud. Wouldn't you?

My bad. It would be a retained Cud, not a Full Cud but not a pre-Cud. It's in the middle.

You're welcome Jon! Yes I agree, a Retained Cud, and a very nice one! I didn't see any markers listed for 05R, did you see this one in the Pre Cud listings? If Mark's Pre Cud (actually Retained Cud) is not listed, JC may want to see this one!

[makecents]

The listing I'm talking about is a Cud, not a pre-Cud. It's in the Cud listings,

CU-1c-1940S-05R. LINK (http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-cuds-1940-1942/)

Mark's is an earlier version of this reverse die though. He has a different obverse that was obviously changed out later. If you look at Mark's full reverse shot and compare to the listing of the reverse, you can easily see the cracks matching, going from the "O" of OF to the wheat stalk and from the wheat stalk to the rim. It's definitely the same reverse.

[VAB2013]

The listing I'm talking about is a Cud, not a pre-Cud. It's in the Cud listings,

CU-1c-1940S-05R. LINK (http://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-cent-cuds-1940-1942/)

Mark's is an earlier version of this reverse die though. He has a different obverse that was obviously changed out later. If you look at Mark's full reverse shot and compare to the listing of the reverse, you can easily see the cracks matching, going from the "O" of OF to the wheat stalk and from the wheat stalk to the rim. It's definitely the same reverse.

Okay! I'm with you so far Jon and I have to agree with your findings! And the obverse is different because of the mint mark placement. I wonder what the cross reference LC-40S-9RB stands for that is just below the 05R listing? May be a JC question?

[makecents]

Okay! I'm with you so far Jon and I have to agree with your findings! And the obverse is different because of the mint mark placement. I wonder what the cross reference LC-40S-9RB stands for that is just below the 05R listing? May be a JC question?

I just assumed someone elses listings. Like the way cc, VV and Wexler cross reference.

[VAB2013]

I just assumed someone elses listings. Like the way cc, VV and Wexler cross reference.

I think so Jon, I googled the reference and it just took me to the 05R listing. Maybe if Mark wants to send his images to JC then we can find out more about it since we don't have much to go with resource wise to figure out the history on this one.

[retiredcopper]

Okay! I'm with you so far Jon and I have to agree with your findings! And the obverse is different because of the mint mark placement. I wonder what the cross reference LC-40S-9RB stands for that is just below the 05R listing? May be a JC question?

I would liked to have had both of you as detectives in my squad when I was a Police Captain. The two of you do great work!

[makecents]

I would liked to have had both of you as detectives in my squad when I was a Police Captain. The two of you do great work!

This was a fun one for me Mark. I should do all my investigation before posting anything but sometimes it helps me to talk it out and Viv is an easy person to work with for sure!! So, Crokett or Tubbs Viv?

[jfines69]

Nice find... Excellent attribution Jon!!!

[makecents]

Nice find... Excellent attribution Jon!!!

Thanks Jim!! The blind squirrel strikes again!!

[jfines69]

Thanks Jim!! The blind squirrel strikes again!!

Some times we act like nuts