Need a little help on this possible retained cud.

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  • retiredcopper
    Member
    • Dec 2014
    • 646

    #1

    Error CUD | Need a little help on this possible retained cud.

    Earlier this morning, I posted pictures of a 1940-S with a retained cud on the right wheat stalk. Well I just found another possible example. I知 not sure on this one. It doesn't seem to be complete to me, so I知 looking to all the experts here for an opinion. Thanks.
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  • willbrooks
    Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

    • Jan 2012
    • 9477

    #2
    See my comment in your other thread. On this one, there is not much, if any displacement, and the crack doesn't even look complete. We have had the debate before on here about these being called "retained cuds." Many would say that a lot of the cuds-on-coins listings are not retained cuds at all, but just rim to rim cracks. As I have pointed out before, there can certainly be displacement without the piece being broken off of the die, so, in my opinion, calling these actual retained cuds is somewhat spurious.
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    • retiredcopper
      Member
      • Dec 2014
      • 646

      #3
      Originally posted by willbrooks
      See my comment in your other thread. On this one, there is not much, if any displacement, and the crack doesn't even look complete. We have had the debate before on here about these being called "retained cuds." Many would say that a lot of the cuds-on-coins listings are not retained cuds at all, but just rim to rim cracks. As I have pointed out before, there can certainly be displacement without the piece being broken off of the die, so, in my opinion, calling these actual retained cuds is somewhat spurious.
      The fact that the crack is not complete is what I was referring to. Thank you for your analysis.
      Mark

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      • VAB2013
        Forum Ambassador
        • Nov 2013
        • 12351

        #4
        I'm seeing the same thing you guys are seeing. The north die crack is pretty weak, and the south crack is a tad stronger, but can't really tell if they are making a connection. Could be that circulation wear or some sort of PSD is making it hard to tell but I don't think so on this one.

        Here's the definition from cuds-on-coins.com. First it starts out as a rim to rim die crack. If the die crack starts to show lateral spread and horizontal offset (displacement) it then becomes a retained cud. If the die break separates from the die then it becomes a fully-fledged cud.

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        • jfines69
          Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 28848

          #5
          Wish I could tell if your crack was complete but the alignment of what is showing looks really close to RCD-1c-1940S-03R... Yours does not appear to have shifted at all yet like what is showing at the rim on 03R... An even earlier die stage???
          Jim
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