Error Struck Through | Unusual No Date Counter brockage LM cent

[Petespockets55]

A couple of nights ago I was looking through another handful of LM cents from bag #4, of 5, I got in July of 2018 from the local coin shop.

The first one across my loupe was this beautiful No Date LM cent. I have never come across any type of this kind of error before, so I was stoked and thought it was a Struck through a late-stage die cap after looking at error-ref.com. The strong LIBERTY that was out of position on the obverse threw me off.

I usually try to post interesting finds on multiple sites at the same time because we all love our Lincolns. I started with CCF for this one. One member PM'd Mike Diamond for clarification and this was his reply:

" This is a counterbrockage from either (1) a rotated and shifted obverse die cap, (2) an off-center cent with a brockage of the obverse design on its reverse face that was converted into a die cap on the next strike, or (3) a cent with an off-center brockage that was converted into a die cap. In any case, it's an unusual counterbrockage."

Scenarios 1,2 or 3 above occurred to the die cap that struck the planchet a single time.

I was having trouble remembering/ understanding what a counter brockage was until I associated it with what happens with a counter clash.

(ps. Here is the LINK to the thread for those interested.)

Thanks for looking and hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

[retiredcopper]

That is an amazing find. Congrats!

[Roller]

Beautiful specimen. Congrats on a nice find. Young brother to my avatar.

[Petespockets55]

Thanks RC and Roller I thought this one looked eerily familiar to someone's I kept seeing over and over.

[makecents]

That is a great find Cliff, congrats!! That is one of those, fall off your chair moments! Looks to be a copper RDV-004, so that would narrow it down to 74-82.

[joel]

Very unusual find and great analysis Cliff!! Congrats!!

[mustbebob]

Wow! What an awesome find. Many congrats on that beauty.

[Petespockets55]

Thanks Jon, Larry and Bob for taking a look.
It really caught me by surprise.
Jon I really thank you for the ID on the reverse time period because I spent about 10 min staring at the obv trying to see the date. In my mind I "saw" a 72.
Is it the designers initials that is the easiest to see to differentiate the reverses?

[makecents]

Is it the designers initials that is the easiest to see to differentiate the reverses?

Yes, that is what I went by. The height of the "F" in relation to the top of the base of the memorial, the thinness of the "F" and the "G". The font of 004 looks similar to 003 but the location and size of each is different. Congrats again on the find!!
LINK (http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20LC...0Varieties.htm)

[jfines69]

Excellent find Cliff... To me it looks like and 82 LD??? Looks like a LD 2 and the letters of LIBERTY look consistent with the 82 LD??? Good call Jon on the date range!!!

[Petespockets55]

Thanks again Jon. Really good detective work.

Thanks Jim. That would make sense to me also since they did polish those '82 dies pretty heavily.

[GrumpyEd]

It does sort of look like a 2 but then something there looks like toning variation so it's hard to say.

I think it's certainly in that range 74-82.
If it was a zinc we would be sure it's an 82. (only year that rev was used with zinc)

I think a TPG would only say a range or more likely "copper ND" "no date".

[Sheila ruley]

Seriously wow!!!!! Impressive!! Big congrats!!

[jfines69]

I can virtually guarantee that it isn't a 1982. Although Variety Vista doesn't mention it, there is a significant change to RDV-004 that, from what I have observed, occurred in 1981. Consider the following images. The first is from 1974 when the new design was still very crisp on the Memorial. The steps are full and sharp. Next is an image of a 1980, where over time you can see that the steps and other elements have faded significantly from reusing the master hub over time. Then, the next image shows what changed circa 1981 (I have not observed whether or not there may be transitional varieties). Notice that it appears that someone really shoddily re-engraved the steps into the memorial. Then from then on they look really crappy until they finally refreshed it in 1986 (not shown).

Therefore, I would suggest that eliminates a date of 1982 or 1981. I would also contend that this change is significant enough to warrant its own RDV designation.
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Would it be ok to download your images??? There are some things I see that having pointers would be easier for me to explain!!!

[DoubleYou]

Sure, Jim.