Error Lamination | 1969-D Coolest Lam I've seen

[return-coiner]

This 1969D has to be the most coolest Lam Error I've found thus far.. Thanks and enjoy..

[jfines69]

That is cool looking... Not 100% sure it is from a lamination peel tho??? Can you get a pic of the rev???

[GrumpyEd]

That is cool looking... Not 100% sure it is from a lamination peel tho??? Can you get a pic of the rev???

Agree with Jim on that. Maybe a combination of things like when minted it did have a lamination from the U of trust going down. Then it was for some time in a bad environment and corrosion lifted it and it's hard to tell what's what. It looks like a layer off most of the bust (and porous from corrosion) but it gets confusing since above the bust neither side of the lamination line look peeled to me. Then that whole area in the field around liberty, I can't tell if it's stuff added from corrosion or if it was peeled.

My guess is that it only had a barely noticeable lamination then corrosion or acid or being in water or dirt or heat or something lifted some areas off and caused corrosion. Making it a confusing neat looking cent

Also reminds me why each TPG handles laminations differently. Some will call it damage if it's on a normal submission but will call it a planchet defect if sent as an error. If it's been peeled they don't like it because it's harder to define because if someone peeled it, that is damage, if it stayed stuck to the die then it wasn't damage and it's not always clear. It's only clear if it stayed in place.

[jfines69]

I'm in with Eds analysis... I would still like to see a full rev pic if possible... That should give us some more info on what you have!!!

[return-coiner]

Here it goes. I had to find the coin again. Hope this helps.

[jfines69]

Here it goes. I had to find the coin again. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the full rev pic... That throws a loop into environmental damage??? I would have expected the rev to show damage as well if the obv was environmental... I see 4 different levels in the metal... Can I download you obv pic to point out what I see???

[return-coiner]

Sure.. Anything to help.

[GrumpyEd]

That throws a loop into environmental damage???

I know what you mean but even the obv has areas that are not damaged either. I'm pretty sure that the areas with a melted look and the pitting on the bust are from some sort of environmental effect plus some lamination combined.
Think of environmental damage you see, it can be evenly spread but it can also be limited to some area like sometimes you'll see an unc but it has one area with a big blob of corrosion, maybe it starts by something stuck there or in this case some might start where the lam allowed it to get started. That's my guess.

[GrumpyEd]

Your other thread shows what I'm talking about.
Notice how the coin is clean, no corrosion or environmental issues but where the lam is, it's lifting up with black gunk peeking through because that lam lets moisture get in there and it wants to grow corrosion and that wants the lift the lam off.

http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/showthread.php?46424-Two-different-errors-on-the-same-1949-D

[jfines69]

Your other thread shows what I'm talking about.
Notice how the coin is clean, no corrosion or environmental issues but where the lam is, it's lifting up with black gunk peeking through because that lam lets moisture get in there and it wants to grow corrosion and that wants the lift the lam off.


http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...he-same-1949-D

Well DDDDUUUUUHHH... Thanks for the link Ed... You the man... I see it in the rev lam... I do want to download the pic and point out something interesting, to me anyway, that I see... Thanks you much for pointing me in the correct direction... Some times I see but am totally blind!!!

[jfines69]

You probably thought I forgot about this Sorry for the delay... I included a copy of your obv and a copy with color coded lines... I hope Ed chimes back in and lets us know if I am correct... The white line is the edge of the lamination that I can see... The lam split there and peeled off the NW quadrant... The blue area look to be parts of the lamination area that were not loose and remained behind after the peel... The small dots in the open field appear to be non laminated portions also but I didn't want to clutter up the pic to much with blue circles... The red area also appears to be a non laminated area but has suffered environmental damage resulting in the pits... The green area may be environmental damage but I am not 100% sure on that???

[kloccwork419]

Up by TRUST kinda looks like lamination but the rest almost looks like it came in contact with electricity. I remember back in the day when the old fuses would blow in the house, my dad would have me put a coin in it til he got another fuse....lololol. Looking back now,man I was dumb

[GrumpyEd]

You probably thought I forgot about this Sorry for the delay... I included a copy of your obv and a copy with color coded lines... I hope Ed chimes back in and lets us know if I am correct... The white line is the edge of the lamination that I can see... The lam split there and peeled off the NW quadrant... The blue area look to be parts of the lamination area that were not loose and remained behind after the peel... The small dots in the open field appear to be non laminated portions also but I didn't want to clutter up the pic to much with blue circles... The red area also appears to be a non laminated area but has suffered environmental damage resulting in the pits... The green area may be environmental damage but I am not 100% sure on that???

Pretty much agree. The melted area looks like it had either corrosion (maybe under the lam) or melting or something (maybe even something stuck on it too), maybe after all of that, it circulated more. It's a combination and hard to explain every area.