Error Other | Unusually high motto.

[makecents]

I went through 40 some pages of Error Ref and our glossary and could not find an example of this. My best guess is a combination of a MAD, extreme deterioration and possibly a bezel. I could be wrong but it looks like all the devices, on both the obverse and the reverse are shifted north.

Thanks for looking and let me know what you think.

Jon.

[mustbebob]

You got the answer with die deterioration. I don't see evidence of a bezel and it is possible there is a minor MAD in there.

[makecents]

You got the answer with die deterioration. I don't see evidence of a bezel and it is possible there is a minor MAD in there.

Thank you sir!! That's the furthest I've seen it roll up on the rim.

[jfines69]

Cool... I see the die wear but it could be more than that??? Possibly a rim restricted second strike - info from Error Ref !!!

[makecents]

Cool... I see the die wear but it could be more than that??? Possibly a rim restricted second strike - info from Error Ref !!!

Thanks for checking it out Jim!! Where we were just talking about the rim restricted second strike recently (http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...ght=restricted), I may have went to that first but easily ruled it out. It is, as it says, a second strike, which shows as an independent, totally separate strike, where mine is just a continuation of the same devices.

[GrumpyEd]

Interesting how the close up and the full shot make it look different.
In the full shot it does look like damage from a bezel.
In the close up it looks different.

In the full shot it looks like the outer most part of the rim is crushed from a bezel on the obv and rev.
In the close shot the outer most part of the rim looks raised and the area where the motto meets the normal upset looks raised.

So what is the reality, with a loupe and some angles, is the outer part crushed like a bezel mark or raised up?

[makecents]

Interesting how the close up and the full shot make it look different.
In the full shot it does look like damage from a bezel.
In the close up it looks different.

In the full shot it looks like the outer most part of the rim is crushed from a bezel on the obv and rev.
In the close shot the outer most part of the rim looks raised and the area where the motto meets the normal upset looks raised.

So what is the reality, with a loupe and some angles, is the outer part crushed like a bezel mark or raised up?

I'll try to get some angled shots this evening, Ed. Thanks for checking it out!

[Petespockets55]

Looks like the lighter color of the top half of the rim is raised in the first image (lighter from wear, not a bezel?)

[makecents]

Interesting how the close up and the full shot make it look different.
In the full shot it does look like damage from a bezel.
In the close up it looks different.

In the full shot it looks like the outer most part of the rim is crushed from a bezel on the obv and rev.
In the close shot the outer most part of the rim looks raised and the area where the motto meets the normal upset looks raised.

So what is the reality, with a loupe and some angles, is the outer part crushed like a bezel mark or raised up?

Got home early. Let me know if there is something else in particular you want shots of.

[jfines69]

Thanks for checking it out Jim!! Where we were just talking about the rim restricted second strike recently (http://www.lincolncentforum.com/foru...ght=restricted), I may have went to that first but easily ruled it out. It is, as it says, a second strike, which shows as an independent, totally separate strike, where mine is just a continuation of the same devices.

I have no idea what I saw the first time around??? That being said I am totally in with die wear!!!

[GrumpyEd]

I agree with die wear moving the motto.
Interesting that the new pics seem to verify the outer edge is recessed not raised but angled not flat like a typical bezel mark. I'm not really sure what would make that angled recessed edge, even has sort of a lip on the outer rim.

[jfines69]

I agree with die wear moving the motto.
Interesting that the new pics seem to verify the outer edge is recessed not raised but angled not flat like a typical bezel mark. I'm not really sure what would make that angled recessed edge, even has sort of a lip on the outer rim.

Wouldn't the angle be from a poor strike???