'69S Counterclash (WCLR-001)

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  • jcuve
    Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
    • Apr 2008
    • 15458

    #1

    Error Die Clash/Break | '69S Counterclash (WCLR-001)

    Here is an example of the Counterclash on the reverse of a '69S that was showcased in Strike it Rich with Pocket Change (Allen & Potter). It comes from Jeff's (JPL6332) collection.

    You can see UNIM; IB and parts of UR (from PLURIBUS); and parts of the memorial roof. This was apparently created when a foreign object (probably a scrap of metal) entered the striking chamber and initially became lodged onto the die where some of the design transferred to the object. The object became dislodged and countersunk into the die transferring the design back to the die then fell away.

    I have overlays showing what appears to be what. The first colored overlay shows the orientation of the design transfer (not a clash) in blue, the coin in green, and the red area within shows the approximate size of the foreign object and what was countersunk. Below that is the countersunk areas in green overlayed onto a normal reverse followed by details.



    Some of the marks under and around UN of UNUM and the memorial roof don't seem to be clash marks, they may be damage from the object striking the die or something else (lime-green arrows below). There is this weird doubling on the bottom of RIB (of PLURIBUS) which looks a little like Machine Doubling but I am thinking was caused by the original foreign object (blue-green arrows) striking the die. I have shown deep die scratches (purple arrows) WEST of EPU and a die break in the E that may or may not somehow be related (yellow arrow).





    Jason Cuvelier


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  • JeanK
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 5696

    #2
    Very nice pictures Jason.
    Congratulations Jeff.
    Top notch!!
    Jean

    [and here I thought I was seeing things on some of my coins... back to searching... ]

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    • jcuve
      Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
      • Apr 2008
      • 15458

      #3
      Thanks Jean!

      I am not sure who first identified this particular counterclash, but if the discovery coin was as hard to determine as this one I am very impressed. There are some die dents above the memorial that are very obvious which might have led to an investigation in that area where the clash was found, but the extra letters do not jump out at you. I am sure there are other undiscovered counterclashes out there to be found - all we got to do is search and keep an open mind...



      Jason Cuvelier


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      • THE PENNY MAN

        #4
        That coin came from my personal collection, now Jeff has it. It is a really nice coin and also extremely rare. I am selling some of my personal collection off.

        Patrick

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        • mikediamond
          Paid Member, Error Expert

          • Jan 2008
          • 1104

          #5
          This Type II counterclash was initially discovered by Brian Jorgensen who wasn't quite sure what he had at first. I was the first to identify it as a Type II counterclash. There are only five Type II counterclashes known among U.S. coins.

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          • ericodapro
            Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 918

            #6
            Originally posted by mikediamond
            This Type II counterclash was initially discovered by Brian Jorgensen who wasn't quite sure what he had at first. I was the first to identify it as a Type II counterclash. There are only five Type II counterclashes known among U.S. coins.
            Is the 1983 "extra letters" one of them?
            iCOLLECT- My eBAY- Discovery#1- Display picture- Discovery#2- Discovery#3- Discovery#4- CoinModel-

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            • MintyFresh

              #7
              Great pics and very nice overlays, Jason.

              ...such an artist...

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              • jcuve
                Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                • Apr 2008
                • 15458

                #8
                Originally posted by ericodapro
                Is the 1983 "extra letters" one of them?
                I can answer this, yes.

                The four are (ErrorScope Vol 18, No 1, 2009, M. Diamond) - 1999 Delaware Quarter; 1983 Lincoln CLO-001 (listed in the CPG); 1983 Lincoln CLO-002 (I posted one of these in the fall); and a 2000P Sacajawea Dollar.
                Last edited by jcuve; 01-09-2010, 08:04 PM.



                Jason Cuvelier


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                • RWBILLER
                  Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 6870

                  #9
                  cool jason and a great pictures - you should pick one subject and publish - even if just a on-line site.
                  roger
                  Roger
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