1999 double die

[Guest]

Hey all i have been coin searching again and i found what appears to be a doubled column. at first i thought it was this one > http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=lds < but once again the die markers do not match up and im left wondering which listing this is. Thoughts?

[simonm]

Yes, it is a doubled die. I know there are certain parameters to consider listed a doubled column on coppercoins, such as how long the doubling is. You may not see it on coppercoins because it may be too minor to list. But still a cool find!

[mustbebob]

I agree with everything Simon said, and it would be too minor for me to list on coppercoins.com.

[lonegunlawyer]

I thought that one could be a candidate, but you may be right about the markers. I am also thinking it is similar to 22.

Well, I am in the very amateur minority.

[standingpride95]

Okay thank you all for confirmation that it is indeed a double die. And apparently it is too minor too list on coppercoins at least. But to lonegunlawyer you say it may be 22? where did you get this listed information?

[mustbebob]

The coppercoins.com criteria is that the doubling of the bar be at least the length of one of the statue's legs. If there are extra knees, feet or legs, each will be handled on a case by case basis. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of these real minor varieties and they are just not worth the attribution fee, nor the amount of work it takes to add one to the site.

[lonegunlawyer]

Okay thank you all for confirmation that it is indeed a double die. And apparently it is too minor too list on coppercoins at least. But to lonegunlawyer you say it may be 22? where did you get this listed information?

It is the last one listed on coppercoins if you do a search inder 1999P DDR.

But, 2 authorities have confirmed it is a DD, just that it does not arise to the level of official recognition. However, I say, keep up the search until you are satisfied.

[standingpride95]

I agree with everything Simon said, and it would be too minor for me to list on coppercoins.com.

Yes, it is a doubled die. I know there are certain parameters to consider listed a doubled column on coppercoins, such as how long the doubling is. You may not see it on coppercoins because it may be too minor to list. But still a cool find!

The coppercoins.com criteria is that the doubling of the bar be at least the length of one of the statue's legs. If there are extra knees, feet or legs, each will be handled on a case by case basis. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of these real minor varieties and they are just not worth the attribution fee, nor the amount of work it takes to add one to the site.

Well that is your criteria im sure though other sites may have this listing other than yours like some ive already seen like the 1961 rpm 021 and such which is big but your site doesn't have it for some reason. Im just looking to see which one it is, coneca master listing seems to have many more ddr for this year that you dont have listed either so in saying this im not discrediting or criticizing your site and i understand your limited resources at times its just its not to say its not worthy of being listed.

[Antiquity]

Well that is your criteria im sure though other sites may have this listing other than yours like some ive already seen like the 1961 rpm 021 and such which is big but your site doesn't have it for some reason. Im just looking to see which one it is, coneca master listing seems to have many more ddr for this year that you dont have listed either so in saying this im not discrediting or criticizing your site and i understand your limited resources at times its just its not to say its not worthy of being listed.

Then send it to someone else and see what they say.... You'll most likely get the same answer.

[lonegunlawyer]

All of them are worthy. It is just a cost/benefit analysis when it comes to stardom.

You appear to be really interested in the memorials and have submitted some really good stuff. I would say keep this one, make note of it, do the same with other similar cents you find, make fitting cross-references, and in the end, you will know more about memorial doubling than 99.9999% of others who are considered experts on the subject (you will probably be one of the experts).

[mustbebob]

Well that is your criteria im sure though other sites may have this listing other than yours like some ive already seen like the 1961 rpm 021 and such which i sbig but your site doesnt have it for some reason. Im just looking which one it is coneca master listing seems to have many more ddr for this year that you dont have listed either so in saying this im not discrediting or criticizing your site and i understand your limited resources at times its just its not to say its not worthy of being listed.

Pretty simple really. Different clubs, different criteria. Some list certain varieties, and others don't. I am kinda puzzled by your statement that I don't list 1961 RPM-021. I see it pretty clearly on the site. I do not have limited resources. I ONLY list Lincoln cents, so that is my expertise. This is NOT a competition between coppercoins and CONECA or Wexler. If my site works for you, then great! If it does not, then use the one that works for you. Coppercoins claim to fame is that we give you instant and public access to photos of the varieties, and markers for the coins we list. The other clubs are diligently working to do this, but they deal with multiple denominations as well. It is a thankless endeavor that take a lot of time and effort. Whether the information is public, or available on line, on a DVD, or in a book, we don't do this for ourselves, we do it to help the collector.
You, as the collector can choose which service suits your needs, and which club doesn't. It really doesn't hurt anyone. I personally use the other sites almost every day. All of the attributers serve a common purpose, and that is to help you in this hobby. We know and respect each other. As I said...pretty simple really.

[standingpride95]

Pretty simple really. Different clubs, different criteria. Some list certain varieties, and others don't. I am kinda puzzled by your statement that I don't list 1961 RPM-021. I see it pretty clearly on the site. I do not have limited resources. I ONLY list Lincoln cents, so that is my expertise. This is NOT a competition between coppercoins and CONECA or Wexler. If my site works for you, then great! If it does not, then use the one that works for you. Coppercoins claim to fame is that we give you instant and public access to photos of the varieties, and markers for the coins we list. The other clubs are diligently working to do this, but they deal with multiple denominations as well. It is a thankless endeavor that take a lot of time and effort. Whether the information is public, or available on line, on a DVD, or in a book, we don't do this for ourselves, we do it to help the collector.
You, as the collector can choose which service suits your needs, and which club doesn't. It really doesn't hurt anyone. I personally use the other sites almost every day. All of the attributers serve a common purpose, and that is to help you in this hobby. We know and respect each other. As I said...pretty simple really.

For some reason i can only see the first page of your 1961 d rpm listings. Whenever i click on the second page or next it just refreshes the first page. And yes i do use your site most of the time and it has helped i am not discrediting it. I frankly use coppercoins first and if i cant find something suspicious on my coin there i then check coneca or doubledie.com or both so yeah.

[standingpride95]

All of them are worthy. It is just a cost/benefit analysis when it comes to stardom.

You appear to be really interested in the memorials and have submitted some really good stuff. I would say keep this one, make note of it, do the same with other similar cents you find, make fitting cross-references, and in the end, you will know more about memorial doubling than 99.9999% of others who are considered experts on the subject (you will probably be one of the experts).

Thank you for the comment, it was seeming that people where denoting this minor doubling as being unworthy of anything or being called a variety even by the tone of some unquoted people. And i shall keep this one and indeed make note of it and becoming an aspiring expert well thats something to look forward to. Once again thank you for the comment.

[liveandievarieties]

Sure, worthy if you're the one who is trying to be labeled as the discoverer of a variety, but let's face it- put it on eBay- you won't get more than a dollar for the coin- therefore- it's not worth the $4 attribution fee. If you had to deal with hundreds and hundreds of nearly identical miniscule varieties, I think your tone might be just a little different.

[standingpride95]

Sure, worthy if you're the one who is trying to be labeled as the discoverer of a variety, but let's face it- put it on eBay- you won't get more than a dollar for the coin- therefore- it's not worth the $4 attribution fee. If you had to deal with hundreds and hundreds of nearly identical miniscule varieties, I think your tone might be just a little different.

There are many varieties lower in monetary value that the attribution fee that are already listed. And i don't think my tone would be different. Sure its nice when you find a more prominent distinct variety but big or small they are all varieties nonetheless and when it comes to worth the monetary value is secondary to me and like said it would be worth whatever attribution fee to be considered the discoverer of a variety. At least just once. I mean we all have money to spare right?