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  • ericodapro
    Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 918

    #1

    70s small date?

    Is this proof 1970S a small date?
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    iCOLLECT- My eBAY- Discovery#1- Display picture- Discovery#2- Discovery#3- Discovery#4- CoinModel-
  • DSallee

    #2
    Nice find!! I would say this is a small date based on the angle of the nine and of the 970 levelness... does the word Liberty seem struck light in the ERTY or is it well defined? A pic of liberty would be good!

    Dave

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    • ericodapro
      Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 918

      #3
      Im still not sure.. isnt the curve in the loop of the "9" supposed to point in the middle of the "7"?
      iCOLLECT- My eBAY- Discovery#1- Display picture- Discovery#2- Discovery#3- Discovery#4- CoinModel-

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      • simonm
        Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 6398

        #4
        The 9 appears correct for a small date. Large dates will have a blunted end, where small dates will have a pointed end.
        My old coin album.

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        • DSallee

          #5
          here is an example... small date vs large date

          Dave

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          • DSallee

            #6
            Here is the levelness I was seeing... would be good to see the LIBERTY.
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            Last edited by Guest; 12-09-2012, 12:43 AM.

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            • Roller
              Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 6975

              #7
              If the 9 did not take a hit (at the end of its curve toward the 7) I think this is a small date. It appears that there may be a hit from this picture though.

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              • liveandievarieties
                TPG & Market Expert
                • Feb 2011
                • 6049

                #8
                This is a proof coin, it isn't likely to have a heavy contact mark.
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                • duck620
                  Paid Member

                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2916

                  #9
                  Congrats! nice find.

                  Ken.
                  "2012 Finds HERE"

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                  • jackmacblack

                    #10
                    1970 'S' Small Date?

                    Good one! In identifying this species, I look solely at the terminus of the nine's upper swirl. The tip's trajectory tells you everything you need to know when attempting to solve the, "Small Date / Large Date" question. If you scribe a line with your mind's eye heading east from the upper tip of your nine and find that it's plummetting toward the MM,...you're out. But if your imaginary line follows a natural course that cuts through the lower stem of the seven next door,...you're in. The difference between the nines is actually quite dramatic. Congrats!

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                    • Maineman750
                      Administrator

                      • Apr 2011
                      • 12079

                      #11
                      Here is a comparison pic
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                      https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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                      • Chugly
                        Member
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 2358

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jackmacblack
                        Good one! In identifying this species, I look solely at the terminus of the nine's upper swirl. The tip's trajectory tells you everything you need to know when attempting to solve the, "Small Date / Large Date" question. If you scribe a line with your mind's eye heading east from the upper tip of your nine and find that it's plummetting toward the MM,...you're out. But if your imaginary line follows a natural course that cuts through the lower stem of the seven next door,...you're in. The difference between the nines is actually quite dramatic. Congrats!
                        Good call Jackmacblack! This is also the main place I look to distinguish these as well.
                        While there are many differences between the '70-S small and large dates, I think the above diagnostic is the easiest to see quickly.

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                        • hasfam
                          Paid Member

                          • May 2009
                          • 6291

                          #13
                          Roger, you need to make the photo comparison smaller. I can still almost see it.
                          Rock
                          My LCR Photo Album of Graded Lincoln Cent Cherry Picker Varieties

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                          • jcuve
                            Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 15458

                            #14
                            Again, is is just hard to believe how many times we see a 1970-S and there is some difficulty in making the small/large date call. The predominant suggestion above, which I agree with , is that it is a small date. Nice find!



                            Jason Cuvelier


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                            • hasfam
                              Paid Member

                              • May 2009
                              • 6291

                              #15
                              I used to have trouble with the difference and eventually became more and more in tuned to the difference to a point that i could easily make the distinction between the 2 with just a quick look..........except last week. I found a circulated 1970-S that I couldn't dismiss as a LG date but just couldn't be convinced it was a sm date either. I soaked it in distilled water for 24 hrs and put it under the scope. I almost took a photo, ready to post it......until i turned it upside down and it all became all so clear again. For some reason I couldn't see what was plain and simple right side up. Turn it around and there it was. A lousy circulated large date. Funny how bad eye sight, misperception and brain farts can slow down the search sometimes.
                              Rock
                              My LCR Photo Album of Graded Lincoln Cent Cherry Picker Varieties

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