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  • Barzilla
    Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 64

    #1

    RPM or no?

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  • seal006
    Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 2330

    #2
    plating issues?
    Last edited by seal006; 01-18-2013, 03:26 PM.
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    • simonm
      Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 6398

      #3
      Post moved. Please do not post questions about your own coins in other people's threads.
      I agree with Sean. The coin looks like it has plating issues.
      My old coin album.

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      • My2cents

        #4
        There are no such things as plating issues. The coins are plated and then minted.

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        • My2cents

          #5
          of course as to whether they are RPM's that is another story.

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          • seal006
            Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 2330

            #6
            Originally posted by My2cents
            There are no such things as plating issues. The coins are plated and then minted.
            And when the are minted that plating can crack in odd ways, especially around the devices. Welcome to LCR. Not exactly a good way to make an entrance.
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            • jallengomez
              Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 4447

              #7
              Originally posted by My2cents
              There are no such things as plating issues. The coins are plated and then minted.
              Really?! Gas bubbles, zinc rot, split-plate doubling? There are certainly are.
              “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

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              • willbrooks
                Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                • Jan 2012
                • 9477

                #8
                This is plating-split doubling, one of the many PLATING ISSUES common on plated cents.
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                • My2cents

                  #9
                  I would suggest a more scientific approach. I suppose it has nothing to do with heat, friction, and movement from the die ejection process? Could it be the plating is just one factor in the creation of this particular anomaly? Maybe the RPM was there first and then after a die ejection anomaly a ripple effect occurred in a millisecond of heat transfer between the die and the ejection process. I know it is easy to just dismiss a possible die variety from photographs, heck I have seen experts miss a doubled die, and other less obvious varieties. But just because is not a good case.

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                  • seal006
                    Member
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 2330

                    #10
                    OR the fact that zinc is extremely soft, and the copper plate layer is very thin. There is no just because here. You can see the zinc in the photos. AND this is VERY common on the early year zincolns. VERY common.
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                    • simonm
                      Member
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 6398

                      #11
                      Split plating is notorious for mimicking an RPM on the mid-to-late 1980's RPMs. You can even see similar effects on early 1990's coins as well. That is the case here. The copper split open and exposed the zinc.
                      My old coin album.

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                      • My2cents

                        #12
                        Okay I buy your hypothesis so far, but then tell me why this does not occur on the date?

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                        • willbrooks
                          Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                          • Jan 2012
                          • 9477

                          #13
                          Originally posted by My2cents
                          I would suggest a more scientific approach. I suppose it has nothing to do with heat, friction, and movement from the die ejection process? Could it be the plating is just one factor in the creation of this particular anomaly? Maybe the RPM was there first and then after a die ejection anomaly a ripple effect occurred in a millisecond of heat transfer between the die and the ejection process. I know it is easy to just dismiss a possible die variety from photographs, heck I have seen experts miss a doubled die, and other less obvious varieties. But just because is not a good case.
                          I didn't see anyone making the case that the plating did this to itself. OF COURSE there were other factors involved in causing the plating to split. However, an RPM is created on a coin because it exists on the die, and has nothing to do with a striking problem, nor an ejection problem, nor a plating disturbance.
                          Last edited by willbrooks; 01-18-2013, 06:39 PM.
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                          • willbrooks
                            Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                            • Jan 2012
                            • 9477

                            #14
                            Originally posted by My2cents
                            Okay I buy your hypothesis so far, but then tell me why this does not occur on the date?
                            It does, often, just not in this case. I have one where the plating is split the entire way around the memorial building and on almost every device on the entire reverse.
                            Last edited by willbrooks; 01-18-2013, 07:33 PM.
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                            • seal006
                              Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 2330

                              #15
                              Originally posted by My2cents
                              Okay I buy your hypothesis so far, but then tell me why this does not occur on the date?
                              Because in 1986 the mint mark was put on the working die by hand. This mint mark could have struck that die with enough force to make a deep impression than the date that was already there. This would mean that the force of the die at the point where the mint mark is would be in contact with the planchet longer than any other place on the die.
                              Last edited by seal006; 01-19-2013, 02:33 AM.
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