I am confused mmd or dd

[pennies4pennies]

These are two different coins. My problem is the mmd or dd. They can get me all the time. I have slab DD but when I show you guys a coin that looks the same as the DD you say it's mmd. How can you really tell? What I think is right is always wrong.

[1sgret]

I have slab DD but when I show you guys a coin that looks the same as the DD you say it's mmd. How can you really tell? What I think is right is always wrong.[/quote]

Please show pictures of both the coins and the same areas you are talking about and also a picture of the slab if possiable. Designate which coin is slabbed and which one is not.
It would be alot eaiser for the people on the Forum to explain the differences in the photo's of the coins.

[pennies4pennies]

I got a 1945S not slab and the 1909 is. What is the differents?

[mustbebob]

Determining what is machine/mechanical die damage, and what is a true doubled die is not always cut and dry. You can not necessarily use the 1909 doubling to match up to a 1957. There are 8 or 9 different types of true hub doubling. If you don't know what they are, and their individual characteristics, that would be a good place to start. Do you have any reference books that explains what the classes are?
Just when you think you have got it down...something throws you for a loop. We really don't mind guiding you in the right direction...that's what we like to do here. Education is the key, and if you expect to learn everything in a week or two, then it probably won't happen.
Now...concerning your original photos here. I am assuming the coin is a 1957 cent? If it is, then the doubling you see on 'WE' is actually a true hub doubled die. The only problem with that one is that this may very well be what we call Master Die Doubling. It is still a doubled die, but it was on the master die, which hubbed working dies, so a lot of coins would show that doubling. !972 is another year where Master Die Doubling was prevalent. Unfortunately, this type of doubling does not command a premium because there are tons of them out there.
As far as the 7 in the date, it looks like it took a hit.

[pennies4pennies]

I am very thankful for the info. I have been fooling around with coins for years but since last summer I have taken a turn to learn more then just buy and sell. I feel bad because I do ask alot of questions here.These question are not for info to just sell a coin but to learn all that I can learn. I have a very good friend that has been on my butt to learn more and he does belong to this group.I don't want to mention any names but he has help me alot with coins and not just cents. I want to thank everyone here at LCR for all the time and help. I have about 6 books and still buying more,but some time I learn more by talking to somebody then just reading. Some how what I read doesn't stix in my hard head.This is a truly a nice friendly place loaded with info. If I get out of hand please tell me.I try to hold back on question on coins. I got about 50 of them I would like to ask question on. But I'll slow down.
THANKS AGAIN
Pennies

[kloccwork419]

Nice VDB DDO...Very nice. All I can say is if you DONT have any books, you really need to get a few. I really like the 1st Cherrypickers guide. It taught me a little about the difference. It even tells you that experts arent alwasy right becuz sometimes its just that hard to tell. Your 45 is very visible MD becuz its shelflike and there is no notching. When Im looking Ill see if the "Doubling" and the normal design meet where a notch would be. If it does then its MD. Not saying thats the case ALL the tiem. Youll get it.!!!!

I havent been doin this long AT ALL..I learned ALOT from here and books or sites.

[mustbebob]

We really don't mind the questions pennies. You made the right statement, and that is you are trying to learn. There is tons of knowledge here, and my personal opinion is that we do the other collectors an injustice if we don't pass on that knowledge. So please....ask away. People here will probably let you know if it's too much, but I doubt that is even an issue with you and your questions.

[kloccwork419]

Atleast he has a slab to show huh Bob?..lolol .. I dont thing anyone would of said that VDB was MD tho..Its really nice.I keep looking at it. Nice pic of it too. It just doesnt say red or brown or redbrown. It look like RB.

[fugnchill]

Hi Frank,

I'm with Kloccwork... I can't stop drooling over that 09' DDO. Very nice! One book that I'm very glad that I bought is "The Official Price Guide to Mint Errors" by Alan Herbert. I'll just say that it covers everything. If you don't have it already, stop by a book store and take a peek to see what it has. I refer to mine constantly for unkown errors and refreshing my memory on known errors...how their made. Also, don't be shy with the questions.

Lestrrr

[pennies4pennies]

I Met Alan Herbert at a coin show I think it was last year. I have his book Mint Errors seventh edition.

[fugnchill]

Oh good, I have the 6th edition and I can't imagine him taking out the "class" descriptions. Class I - VIII, Class IX I don't think is being used by everyone yet.

Lestrrr

[JeanK]

Hi Frank,
Don't forget that we all benefit each time you post a picture and ask a question. None of us knows everything about all of the errors and varieties.
Thank you!
Jean

[1sgret]

The Cherrypickers Gugide 4th Edition Vol 1 has the best information in the back on the types of doubling plus a small quiz you can take.

[trails]

I had the privilege of being able to talk to Alan Herbert for four days at the FUN show; he made the CONECA table his hangout during that show.

With the ANA elections right around the corner, Alan is my top pick for ANA governor, not only because he is a CONECA member, but an overall fantastic person.

Anyway, you made a wise pick in your selection of his book for your reference library.

BJ Neff

[1sgret]

Atleast he has a slab to show huh Bob?..lolol .. I dont thing anyone would of said that VDB was MD tho..Its really nice.I keep looking at it. Nice pic of it too. It just doesnt say red or brown or redbrown. It look like RB.

ANACS usually does not give a color designation for coins that are graded below MS-60. They used to.