1911-D/D Need Help! (FS-501 or FS-504?)

[WheatsRATreat]

Hi All,

I recently picked up this nice looking 1911-D. The coin currently resides in an IGC EF45 holder. I'm thinking/hoping this is FS-501, but I've never handled that one before. Could be FS-504, I don't have my overlays to see mintmark positioning. Thanks for your help!

Brandon

[WaterSport]

Its not 4. Looks RPM 1 to me. I see the weak LI of Liberty and on the top of the O in ONE on the rev, but that worn die wear under the D is a bit more than I recall. Look very closely at this pic and use it as much as you like. There are a bunch of Die dots on the shoulder, above the 11”s, Etc. See how many you can match up. Use this pick for an overlay as well.



WS

[WheatsRATreat]

Thanks! I've added a pic of the shoulder and 1 more of the date & MM. I really appreciate your expertise on these.

[WaterSport]

My other examples have a more defined “line” under the D. Your example would be OK, if all the rest of the coin showed later die state to match the abrasion/wear under the D. I did an overlay, and its pretty darn close. I assume you have no die cracks on the rev??

Bob

[jfines69]

The primary MM on Copper Coins 004 appears to be rotated CW and yours appears more like Copper Coins 001??? Also on the second 1 of the date yours appears to have a die scratch or abrasion running N-S at the NW corner and Copper Coins 001 appears to have the same thing but a lighter version??? Or my coke bottles are acting up again

[eaxtellcoin]

Here is 1911-D RPM#1 - This is the EDS I sent to Dr. Wiles

[WheatsRATreat]

Thanks guys! The reason I asked about this coin is that this really isn't a "pick" per say. The coin resides in an IGC EF45 holder that's attributed as RPM-004. I saw the pictures online, and thought it looked closer to RPM-001 which in my opinion is quite rarer than RPM-004. It sounds like I might have a good match. I appreciate you all taking a look.

[eaxtellcoin]

Oh drat I had a feeling you were going to say that about the slab you bought. There is a difference in opinion about RPM#4 what is an early die state which is listed and then what is a LDS and there is ALOT of Fuss about that. I have an example of the coin your looking at. Will post a pic tomorrow. Wiles believes it's not enough to prove an RPM. Which is what he told me on my coin, Wexler lists this as a Late Die state of RPM#4 from the late John Bordner's research. I have an early die state RPM#4 I will try to photo through the slab. I also have a copy of the coin you probably bought. Will try to photo tomorrow in between putting coins for sale on my site...

[eaxtellcoin]

OK a disclaimer. I did my best to photograph through a slab of all these coins. The set up I bought here does not do a very good job of picking up mintmarks that are light in the field.

1) This is a lighter pictured copy of Coneca's RPM#1 Stage "A"

2) This is a lighter pictured copy of Coneca's RPM#1 Stage "B"

3) This is a true copy of RPM#4 Stage "A" Coneca and Wexler

4) this is the coin that has differences of Opinion. It is "Not enouph to prove" Coneca - Wexler LDS RPM#4

The attributers have done a very good job over the years with all the known RPM's.

What I would like to remind everyone looking at this post:::: Notice the upper serif of the secondary "D" RPM or not is LOWER in the field then all the rest of the RPM's pictured. I'm talking about the last coin pictured.

It seems when RPM #3 and #4 were found, there were ALOT of similar dies that are confused and mis attributed.

[WaterSport]

Nice picks and good explanation. There are from my examination 2 coins with darn near identical markers for RPM 4. Those markers are a die crack on the OBV shoulder and a REV upper right wheat stalk. But when you do an overlay you discover the ever so slight variations that prove they are 2 different coins. Regretfully I have no pics to demonstrate the difference. On RPM 4 from what little I have studied, the OBV die crack is not present on EDS, occurs MDS and on lower graded examples becomes obliterated. The OBV die crack is very faint and usually is seen easier as it goes from the rim to the shoulder. The REV die crack seems to always be there. These pics of RPM 4’s are the best I can do. Feel free to use and repost, keep share, whatever.

WS

So look hard and you will see the cracks in these pics.