In over my head???

[makecents]

I'm not used to finding a Wheat in this good of a grade, so I think I may have picked it apart a little too much. I have searched DDO's and RPM's and come up empty. Am I trying once again to make something out of nothing? I have not searched listings for breaks yet. Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks, Jon.

[VAB2013]

That is a nice wheat Jon! This one has my attention too! Can you give us a close up of the first T of Trust?

[makecents]

That is a nice wheat Jon! This one has my attention too! Can you give us a close up of the first T of Trust?

No go Viv. I checked that DDO earlier if that was what you were looking for CC-003.

[VAB2013]

No go Viv. I checked that DDO earlier if that was what you were looking for CC-003.

Thank you for the pic Jon! Circulation wear could be covering up the spread on that T. I still think the notching on the date looks good. Is that date notching a master die thing? We need a pro's help!

[makecents]

Thank you for the pic Jon! Circulation wear could be covering up the spread on that T. I still think the notching on the date looks good. Is that date notching a master die thing? We need a pro's help!

It could be normal. I dug around trying to find pics of this date and mint and I think I might have noticed the notching on the 2 being on others. I am of course new to Lincolns in general but am really weak on the Wheats.

[VAB2013]

It could be normal. I dug around trying to find pics of this date and mint and I think I might have noticed the notching on the 2 being on others. I am of course new to Lincolns in general but am really weak on the Wheats.

Jon, I once saw a thread or maybe it was on another site, that shows photos of all of the master die doubling on cents by year. I have looked all over the place and cannot find it now. One reason I wonder if it's MDD is because Bob does not mention the notching in his attribution notes. We need your help Bob! Thank you in advance!

[mustbebob]

There was indeed Master Die Doubling on 1952 cents. You can see it on the date on P, D and S cents. On Denver minted dies, there was a couple of broken mint mark punches. If you take a look at the listings, they are annotated as such. As far as this example goes, you definitely have the master die doubling on the date. I can't make out anything that makes me believe the mint mark is repunched, and I think the multiple cracks on the head area are indicative of a well worn die. I am afraid there is not much there as far as varieties go.

[VAB2013]

There was indeed Master Die Doubling on 1952 cents. You can see it on the date on P, D and S cents. On Denver minted dies, there was a couple of broken mint mark punches. If you take a look at the listings, they are annotated as such. As far as this example goes, you definitely have the master die doubling on the date. I can't make out anything that makes me believe the mint mark is repunched, and I think the multiple cracks on the head area are indicative of a well worn die. I am afraid there is not much there as far as varieties go.

Bob, thank you very much for your help! Well Jon, sorry it is not a variety. Thank you for posting this coin, it is the best way we can learn all this stuff!

Jim, do you know where the master die doubling info is? I thought it was a sticky...

[makecents]

There was indeed Master Die Doubling on 1952 cents. You can see it on the date on P, D and S cents. On Denver minted dies, there was a couple of broken mint mark punches. If you take a look at the listings, they are annotated as such. As far as this example goes, you definitely have the master die doubling on the date. I can't make out anything that makes me believe the mint mark is repunched, and I think the multiple cracks on the head area are indicative of a well worn die. I am afraid there is not much there as far as varieties go.

Thanks Bob and Viv!! I think I was overly excited about having a Wheat that I could make things out on. Thanks for the help.

[VAB2013]

Thanks Bob and Viv!! I think I was overly excited about having a Wheat that I could make things out on. Thanks for the help.

You are welcome Jon! I completely understand and would have done the exact same thing you did! That is why the LCF is so awesome! We all get to learn together!

[jfines69]

Nice looking wheat... If memory serves me correct there were also some re-engraved/retouched dies for 1952 (As well as other years) that shows up on the forehead like yours does... As for a master listing of MDDs I wish I knew where it was located I could sure use it!!!

[jfines69]

Thanks for chiming in Bob... That really helps a lot!!!

[mustbebob]

I have this list of Master Die Doubling that goes from the 30's until 1979. If we can make a sticky out of it, then please do!

MASTER DIE DOUBLING

1932: (P,D) Underneath the upper part of the 32 of the date.

1935: (P,D,S) Inside the lower portion of the 5 of the date.

1937: MMD on the top of the 7 of the date.

1937: MMD on IN GOD WE TRUST, eye and the right side of 937.

1938: (P,D,S) Doubling inside the lower loop and on the bottom of the 8.

1938: (P,D,S) Doubling of the 8 in date.

1940: MDD of the 40 of the date.

1944: MDD on the last two 4's of the date.

1946: (P,D,S) Doubling on nose, lips, chin, throat, chest and bow tie.

1948: (P,D,S) Light extra thickness on all lettering and date, especially in TRUST.

1952: MDD on the date.

1955: (P,D,S) Master die damage caused doubling in the upper 'BE' of LIBERTY

1955: (P,D,S) Doubling on lower LIBERTY.

1957: MDD on GOD
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1957: (P,D,Pr) MDD on 'D WE' of GOD WE.

1958: (P,D) MDD on the upper left part of the 8

1960: MDD on the 'E' of WE (lg date).

1960: (P,D,Pr) IN GOD WE TRUST. (Small date)

1961: (P,D,Pr) IN GOD WE TRUST and date.

1962: (Pr) On date.

1964: MDD on the crosslet of the 4 of the date

1965: The 5 of the date has a notch in the center where the curve meets the upright.

1970: (P,D,S) Extra bar under L of LIBERTY and over 7 of date.***Currently not considered MDD

1970: (P,D,S) Extra bar over 7 of date. .***Currently not considered MDD

1970: (P,D,S) Below horizontal cross bar of 7 and below 0 of date. .***Currently not considered MDD

1970: (P,D,S) Extra bar above 'L' of LIBERTY. .***Currently not considered MDD

1972: (P,D,S,Pr) LIBERTY, IN GOD WE TRUST and 2 of the date.

1973: The center of the 3 of the date shows a split.

1974: Two different date sizes for this year. Large date and Small date.

1979D: The lower corner broke off the mint mark punch showing a split serif

[VAB2013]

Excellent! Thank you SO much Bob for this information! A sticky it is...

[jfines69]

I made this thread a sticky and moved it to Error Examples... Hope that is the correct forum!!!