Different CUD on reverse

[Sheila ruley]

Has anyone seen this kind of CUD on the 1989 cent? This somehow turned the last picture sideways. The one on my pictures is the right way.

[VAB2013]

Yes and no LOL... that is one fine cud Sheila! Yes, there are a few that are similar and no they don't seem to match yours! I think you may have another new cud listing! Please PM JC a link to this thread! Congrats!

[TJ1952]

Wooow! That is stunning! Nice find Sheila! Plus great pictures!

[Petespockets55]

Fantastic find Sheila.
That reverse cud is so laaaaaarge it even effects the obverse details.

[makecents]

Very cool new find Sheila and really good pics!!

[GrumpyEd]

Very nice CUD, if that monster isn't listed I'm sure it will be when you show it!

[Sheila ruley]

Thank you guys! I was surprised at this one!

[jfines69]

Nice find... Is the missing hair detail from the cud or PSD??? It looks like there may be some PSD to the rim as well near WE???

[GrumpyEd]

Is the missing hair detail from the cud or PSD???

That is from not being struck up, it's flat like the planchet was because no metal pushed up in that area because it was moving out on the rev into the CUD. It's not PSD.

[Petespockets55]

Nice find... Is the missing hair detail from the cud or PSD??? It looks like there may be some PSD to the rim as well near WE???

I thought the same thing Jim until I saw the size of the cud and realized it occurred as Ed explained. The lack of detail was directly opposite the cud.
Flat on the front with no scrapes on or around it and no damage to the cud on the reverse is visible if it had been hammered on the front.

[furryfrog02]

Love it. I've yet to find a CUD on the reverse of a coin.

[engine823]

Nice find! I don't believe I have ever found one!!

[jfines69]

That is from not being struck up, it's flat like the planchet was because no metal pushed up in that area because it was moving out on the rev into the CUD. It's not PSD.

The reason I ask is due to the gap between the hair and E of WE... There is still a large area of hair detail unaffected by the cud while the areas around it are flattened... Thanks Ed!!!

[Petespockets55]

The reason I ask is due to the gap between the hair and E of WE... There is still a large area of hair detail unaffected by the cud while the areas around it are flattened... Thanks Ed!!!

I'm no pro by any stretch but I think it has to do with the depth of the die in those areas closest to the reverse side cud.
The edge of the broken die is very near where the hair detail joins the head on the obverse. So I think the transition areas from the field to the deepest parts of the hair should have varying degrees of detail until the distance between the die surfaces return to "normal".
(Hope I make sense with this observation and don't confuse things.)

See my sixth grade attempt below at rendering a diagram of the broken anvil die.

[jfines69]

I'm no pro by any stretch but I think it has to do with the depth of the die in those areas closest to the reverse side cud.
The edge of the broken die is very near where the hair detail joins the head on the obverse. So I think the transition areas from the field to the deepest parts of the hair should have varying degrees of detail until the distance between the die surfaces return to "normal".
(Hope I make sense with this observation and don't confuse things.)

See my sixth grade attempt below at rendering a diagram of the broken anvil die.

Looks more like an 8th grade sketch I am no pro either... The area south of that spot is flattened tho and the field north to the E is normal... That is what is throwing me... Could be the old brain just isn't seeing it today