1960D SD RPM needing help!

[centMD]

Actually John Wexler has not listed past 1950-D for the Lincoln cent RPMs with the exception of 1959-D and a few scattered RPMs that he himself personally knew. Unfortunately it may be years before the actual listing number is online for this coin. For now, you'll just have to accept Brian Ribar's coin for comparison and note to re-check it once Wexler is able to put online the files for his WRPM listings.

Brian Ribar would have been the original submitter for this variety, and as such would likely have the only verified examples, so congratulations on a very difficult find!

[VAB2013]

Actually John Wexler has not listed past 1950-D for the Lincoln cent RPMs with the exception of 1959-D and a few scattered RPMs that he himself personally knew. Unfortunately it may be years before the actual listing number is online for this coin. For now, you'll just have to accept Brian Ribar's coin for comparison and note to re-check it once Wexler is able to put online the files for his WRPM listings.

Brian Ribar would have been the original submitter for this variety, and as such would likely have the only verified examples, so congratulations on a very difficult find!

Thank you Dan for this info! It was not really a hard find, just popped out of a roll, but I understand what you are saying. Thank you for making it easy to attribute, been trying to figure this one out for days

[centMD]

Though I'm not sure what WRPM would match with RPM-104, this coin is not a match as 104 is closer to the 9 and has an additional horizontal bar in the inside of the lower mint mark. It would probably be too minor for Wiles to list in the future as well.

[VAB2013]

Though I'm not sure what WRPM would match with RPM-104, this coin is not a match as 104 is closer to the 9 and has an additional horizontal bar in the inside of the lower mint mark. It would probably be too minor for Wiles to list in the future as well.

Got it, thank you! Wonder if I will ever be able to compare the position of the MM to the date? I feel like I will never get it

[jfines69]

Nice find Vivien... Looks like a perfect match to Brians WRPM-0149... Looking thru CC 157 looks really close http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds not 100% sure tho... There appears to be the small die dots or abrasions just off the tail of the 9 like yours and the one on Brians???

[joel]

Congrats on a fine 60D RPM find Vivien!! Thanks also to Dan for his skill and involvement!!

[VAB2013]

Congrats on a fine 60D RPM find Vivien!! Thanks also to Dan for his skill and involvement!!

Thank you Larry J! I agree with you, it was very nice of Dan to help us on this one, it was not easy!

[makecents]

Congrats Viv!! I was scouring but someone who knew a lot more than I ever will hooked you up! That's a good one!

[mustbebob]

Question for future reference. Do splits get wider with die wear?

I thought I had answered this before, but I guess I never submitted my answer. The 'answer' is no. The splits do not get wider with die wear. With that being said, die wear can indeed affect the way the mint mark (or any device for that matter) looks. There are some RPMs that actually get easier to see with die wear as the constant striking will tend to wear off a layer of metal and exposing more of the primary mintmark. Maybe someone else knows off the top of their head, but I will try to get an example of this and post it.

[makecents]

I thought I had answered this before, but I guess I never submitted my answer. The 'answer' is no. The splits do not get wider with die wear. With that being said, die wear can indeed affect the way the mint mark (or any device for that matter) looks. There are some RPMs that actually get easier to see with die wear as the constant striking will tend to wear off a layer of metal and exposing more of the primary mintmark. Maybe someone else knows off the top of their head, but I will try to get an example of this and post it.

Thank you sir!

[centMD]

Glad I was able to help out Viv! It's fun when I can get a tough one like yours!

Dan

[VAB2013]

Glad I was able to help out Viv! It's fun when I can get a tough one like yours!

Dan

Dan, I know you are a great cherry picker, but to remember seeing this random RPM is beyond excellence! Thank you!

[TPring]

There are some RPMs that actually get easier to see with die wear as the constant striking will tend to wear off a layer of metal and exposing more of the primary mintmark. Maybe someone else knows off the top of their head, but I will try to get an example of this and post it.

Could that be the reason that so many 1982Ds look like they have a MM below an eroding MM? Since they were using old, worn-out dies.


For instance, this example looks to have an intact 'spine' underneath the 'eroding spine'.

In the above example, is that actually the original MM?


Sorry Viv, not meaning to hi-jack your thread -- Inquiring minds want to know.

[VAB2013]

Could that be the reason that so many 1982Ds look like they have a MM below an eroding MM? Since they were using old, worn-out dies.


For instance, this example looks to have an intact 'spine' underneath the 'eroding spine'.

In the above example, is that actually the original MM?


Sorry Viv, not meaning to hi-jack your thread -- Inquiring minds want to know.

No problem TPring, we all want to know and everyone's input is helpful!

[mustbebob]

Could that be the reason that so many 1982Ds look like they have a MM below an eroding MM? Since they were using old, worn-out dies.

I don't quite know how you meant this statement. The mint marks were punched when the dies were new. The same punch was hit more than once while they were punching in the mint mark. Whether the repunch was immediate, or after an attempt to abrade an errant mark is unknown in most cases. Old worn out dies only come into play on how the RPM looks after continued striking of coins. Since the coin you linked to is an LDS, you see the die flow lines are pretty well established. In cases like this the 'intact' spine as you put it has no where near the wear as the top layers of the coin and it makes sense that it might appear more solid than the worn example.