Possible 1984 Proof RPM?

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  • Petespockets55
    Paid Member

    • Dec 2014
    • 6890

    #1

    Possible 1984 Proof RPM?

    I don't remember seeing any information about the possibility of RPM's on Proof coins.
    I found a 1984S DCAM (PCGS designation for Deep Cameo) proof while roll searching this weekend. It appears to be an RPM (west) but nothing is coming up on any searches. This leads me to think they are not possible on proof coins, maybe because of the process of creating the proof dies.

    Here is a LINK to the PCGS site.
    When the page comes up there will be 3 coins visible. The MM on mine is similar to the one on the top right coin.


    Any insight will be greatly appreciated. (I'll get some images posted a little later today.)
    Thanks for looking and all comments, Cliff
  • enamel7
    Paid Member

    • Apr 2009
    • 4047

    #2
    Absolutely proof coins can have rpm's! Can you get a pic of yours?

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    • Petespockets55
      Paid Member

      • Dec 2014
      • 6890

      #3
      Here are some images with my phone setup.
      Attached Files

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      • mustbebob
        Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
        • Jul 2008
        • 12758

        #4
        I am thinking this is a striking issue. Remember that proof coins were struck at least twice. I think that is what caused this anomaly.
        Bob Piazza
        Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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        • Petespockets55
          Paid Member

          • Dec 2014
          • 6890

          #5
          Thanks Bob.
          To be able to attribute a proof as an rpm (because of being struck twice) would notching need to be evident on the serifs?

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          • jfines69
            Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 28848

            #6
            I have no idea about the possibility but that is cool looking!!!
            Jim
            (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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            • jcuve
              Moderator, Die & Variety Expert
              • Apr 2008
              • 15458

              #7
              It looks like flat field doubling - basically what Bob is noting where part of the design (here the mintmark) was marginally struck over from a slight misalignment during the striking of the proof coin. Deceptive, but not a RPM unfortunately.



              Jason Cuvelier


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              • VAB2013
                Forum Ambassador
                • Nov 2013
                • 12351

                #8
                That is cool looking Cliff! So it would be considered a mint error?

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                • Petespockets55
                  Paid Member

                  • Dec 2014
                  • 6890

                  #9
                  Originally posted by VAB2013
                  That is cool looking Cliff! So it would be considered a mint error?
                  Actually I think it is a form of MD.

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                  • Petespockets55
                    Paid Member

                    • Dec 2014
                    • 6890

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jcuve
                    It looks like flat field doubling - basically what Bob is noting where part of the design (here the mintmark) was marginally struck over from a slight misalignment during the striking of the proof coin. Deceptive, but not a RPM unfortunately.
                    Thanks Jason.
                    So the MM would have been about the only device from the first strike to transfer any design to the planchet?
                    Otherwise more devices would have been visible as well?

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                    • makecents
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                      • Jun 2017
                      • 11038

                      #11
                      Sorry Cliff! That looked good! I really like the new phone setup and the last three pics showed it really well!!

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                      • Petespockets55
                        Paid Member

                        • Dec 2014
                        • 6890

                        #12
                        Thank you everyone for the reply's. I really appreciate it.

                        I guess what got me all excited was how close (Identical?) to the example I LINKED to at the PCGS site matched image # 7.
                        I never think of any form of MD looking exactly alike from one coin to the next.
                        (Selective memory I guess.)

                        Originally posted by makecents
                        Sorry Cliff! That looked good! I really like the new phone setup and the last three pics showed it really well!!

                        This coin is an example of one of the advantages of imaging proofs with my phone. It automatically filters out most of the glare. I did have to tilt the coin on a few shots to try to capture
                        what I was seeing. Another thing is to leave the image "as is" after getting the proper orientation- no zooming before posting. I leave that up to the person viewing.
                        Last edited by Petespockets55; 04-10-2018, 01:13 AM. Reason: Additional info

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