1968 D clashed both sides but is it an RPM also?

[dinkyblue]

Been looking at this very interesting 1968 D, it has clash marks on both sides. I thought at first it was an RPM, but after further investigation I'm not so sure it is an RPM. So, I need some more eyes on this one. Please have a look and tell me your thoughts. Thanks...................dinkyblue

[jfines69]

I am not sure it is a RPM... I am leaning more toward some die damage and PSD??? At first I thought a split upper serif but on the close ups (pics 4 and 5) there appears to be some damage along the upper horizontal bar that is in the same shape as the some wht split in the serif... The bar in the center of the MM I am not sure if it is a bar from a MM or die damage??? Maybe one for Bob to come look at??? Nice clash also... Looks like the dies were really out of alignment!!!

[VAB2013]

Nice looking 68D Dan! The MM does look kind of like it took a hit, but I'm with Jim on the bar in the center of it. Please PM Bob so he can see!

The die clash is confusing me. What you see under the chin could be a column clash but on the reverse where the jacket appears to have clashed at the top of the Memorial doesn't jive with where the chin looks to have clashed to the right of the statue. Wondering what Jim thinks, could the dies have clashed at two different times? I'm wondering if the clash to the right of the statue could be die damage?

Edit: bay clash, not column clash

[dinkyblue]

I think the dies clashed at two different times, where you should see Lincolns chin clashed if you will a normal clash one might say has moved to a different location making me think it spun around a little while it was being struck. I'm not very good at figuring out clashes but I can tell you both sides are very clashed. When I first saw the obverse under the scope the clash under the chin stuck out like a sore thumb. I thought it was pretty neat. No telling how many times it was struck. As far as the MM being an RPM, I don't think it is due to the fact that the marks on the top left look to be a damaged die also the marks or lines on the inside look like or match some of the RPM's listed on CC and VV's web site. But it is a nicely clashed 1968D, I don't see to many clashed on both sides. Thank you for looking Viv.........Dan

[dinkyblue]

That was my thought too. "the dies are really out of alignment" thanks for your input and help.................Dan

[jfines69]

To me the area at the neck looks like part of C7... Look in B6 just under the arrow and next to C7... That looks like the corresponding area where the clash is at the neck/chin... Also the roof area north of B7/B8 looks to indicate 2 clash events... Looks like 2 separate edges of the jacket... There is also something toward the north end of C2B2... I'm not sure what is going on at B7C8 and B8C9???

[dinkyblue]

Guess no one is around that is more knowledgeable on these clashed Lincolns. I'll keep it and see if I can find more information about it. Thank you Jim, for your information. Can't really say much more about this one......................Dan

[jfines69]

I found a similar clash on the MDS site but it is a 68S typical die clash http://www.maddieclashes.com/tdc-1c-1968s-01/ The only 68D is an atypical http://www.maddieclashes.com/adc-1c-1968d-01/ Is it ok to download your pics and try an overlay???

[mustbebob]

Guess no one is around that is more knowledgeable on these clashed Lincolns.

You only posted this yesterday. Some of us don't check the forum every day. Please be a little more patient before quitting on some of us and putting the coin up.

[dinkyblue]

Sure Jim, go ahead and do an overlay. I looked at both of those and couldn't see anything that excited me. if anything the 1968S has the clash marks under the chin or throat area similar to mine .......................Dan

[jfines69]

You only posted this yesterday. Some of us don't check the forum every day. Please be a little more patient before quitting on some of us and putting the coin up.

Cool... Thanks... Yea that S is similar to yours!!!

[dinkyblue]

I'm patiently awaiting your results, take your time, I have the rest of my life and the patience of an oyster, and thank you very much for doing some overlay's on this old penny............................................. .............Dan

[jfines69]

I'm patiently awaiting your results, take your time, I have the rest of my life and the patience of an oyster, and thank you very much for doing some overlay's on this old penny............................................. .............Dan

I have already started working on the overlays and hope to have them posted this evening... I looked close at your pics and do not see much in the way of abrasions... Since the light angle can hide the abrasions does your coin have them on the areas of the clash???

[dinkyblue]

No abrasions that I can see, here is a little better pic of the area in question and the lighting angle is different this one shows the clash marks around the bow tie area clearer.....................Dan

[jfines69]

There are abrasions in that area but it does not appear to be from the mint attempting to remove the clash... It appears this is a single event... When I was working on the possible 2 event nothing lined up correctly so I went to the single event and it works the best... I used different colored arrows to point out the different contact points I can see... The yellow arrows are not mine tho Thanks for letting me do the overlays... I appreciate it!!!