Interesting 1945-S RPM#8

[eaxtellcoin]

Afternoon All,
I've had this coin on my desk for a week or two trying to decide what this is on this coin to the south.
I added two photo's of the date mintmark from different lighting angles and one photo of die state. I think it's MDS but all the photo's I've reserched do NOT have what's to the south. The curve is broken so it could be a crack? Strange place for the start of a die crack but I would figure it would have been seen before. What kind of damage?
Eric

[Petespockets55]

It looks like there are die cracks in the vicinity so I'm leaning towards a die chip.

What looks like a crack to me starts coming off the top third of the anomaly and follows parallel to your arrow. It starts to arc towards the rim below the 5 and in line with the top of the MM. At least that's what all the little bumps look like to me.

[makecents]

I would agree with the die state of MDS and after looking closely at VV's pics and the LDS on cc, I would say PSD. If there is no sign of this on cc's, then this is the only realistic answer in my opinion. There looks to be quite a bit of damage to your coin and I'm thinking misplaced metal.

The only other logical answer is it's not 008 but I think it is.

[eaxtellcoin]

It looks like there are die cracks in the vicinity so I'm leaning towards a die chip.

What looks like a crack to me starts coming off the top third of the anomaly and follows parallel to your arrow. It starts to arc towards the rim below the 5 and in line with the top of the MM. At lest that's what all the little bumps look like to me.

Cliff, I agree. What is hard to see is the curve just above the arrow on the loop. Early die chip makes sense.. Thanks for taking a look.

[eaxtellcoin]

I would agree with the die state of MDS and after looking closely at VV's pics and the LDS on cc, I would say PSD. If there is no sign of this on cc's, then this is the only realistic answer in my opinion. There looks to be quite a bit of damage to your coin and I'm thinking misplaced metal.

The only other logical answer is it's not 008 but I think it is.

Jon,
I don't see any other area's that would show a localized Machine Doubling or PSD. The coin is Fine / Fine+ condition though so it's been through the war. Literally
Thanks for taking a look.

[makecents]

I would agree with the die state of MDS and after looking closely at VV's pics and the LDS on cc, I would say PSD. If there is no sign of this on cc's, then this is the only realistic answer in my opinion. There looks to be quite a bit of damage to your coin and I'm thinking misplaced metal.

The only other logical answer is it's not 008 but I think it is.

Jon,
I don't see any other area's that would show a localized Machine Doubling or PSD. The coin is Fine / Fine+ condition though so it's been through the war. Literally
Thanks for taking a look.

Help a newbie out Eric. If this is actually a die crack and does not exist on earlier dies or later dies of the 008, then it's either not 008 or the listings are incorrect, right? I'm actually an abstract thinker, which is horrible for coins but I feel I'm using decent logic here and am clueless as to what you and Cliff are suggesting or not coming out and saying. Help me, help me!!

[Petespockets55]

Jon, if I'm understanding the question correctly, I think Erics example is struck at some point after the one for the images at VV. That would explain the additional marker of the die chip.
The die chip would just indicate a different/new stage (D).

[VAB2013]

Thank you Eric for posting this! I'm not even going to try to pretend that I understand SF RPM's! They pretty much all look foreign to me - but I admire your knowledge and enjoy your photos!

[makecents]

Jon, if I'm understanding the question correctly, I think Erics example is struck at some point after the one for the images at VV. That would explain the additional marker of the die chip.
The die chip would just indicate a different/new stage (D).

Cliff, we've agreed that this is an MDS coin, if that's the case and it's chips and cracks, then it would show up on cc's LDS listing. This leaves us with a few possibilities. It's not cracks and chips, it's not a 008 or some of the listings are incorrect.

[VAB2013]

Guys, is it possible that at LDS the die flow lines can become so heavy that a very small die crack/chip can be taken over and not seen anymore?

Dang... the Broadstrike example of this on VV is awesome looking!

[mustbebob]

I am thinking the area below the S is PSD, or metal moved from the lower curve into the field by a hit. In my mind, there is no doubt about the die state being MDS and that this is indeed RPM-008. Old hits/dings do have a tendency to wear over time, and I think that is what we have here.

[Petespockets55]

Cliff, we've agreed that this is an MDS coin, if that's the case and it's chips and cracks, then it would show up on cc's LDS listing. This leaves us with a few possibilities. It's not cracks and chips, it's not a 008 or some of the listings are incorrect.

I would say it is either the first or latter.
I have seen some varieties where the same markers were listed as different die states on the sites. Can't recall which ones at the moment, but it really messed with what I thought I understood, and still does.

And like Bob mentioned, maybe it is displaced metal from a hit.

[makecents]

I would say it is either the first or latter.
I have seen some varieties where the same markers were listed as different die states on the sites. Can't recall which ones at the moment, but it really messed with what I thought I understood, and still does.

And like Bob mentioned, maybe it is displaced metal from a hit.

Refer to post #3 but it did not hurt to have someone with a little more validity than crazy Jon to recapitulate!

[mustbebob]

Refer to post #3 but it did not hurt to have someone with a little more validity than crazy Jon to recapitulate!

Certainly didn't mean to say what you already mentioned as a possibility (Crazy) Jon. I was merely stating my opinion also. You're assessment is correct in my eyes so well done.

[VAB2013]

Way to go Jon! I caught it that you had it figured out and was correct once I saw Bob's assessment of what was going on! Dang you even used the long word "recapitulate" instead of "recap"! You're getting so smart, it is kinda scary LOL! Great job my friend!