1950-S RPM and something else

[eaxtellcoin]

Evening everyone,
I'm going through the Wexler / Copper listings to see which ones I could match. Found two so i'm happy...
Found 2 of this minor RPM in a roll of this kinda stuff. Then I noticed a curve inside the 9 of the date and ever so slight shadow outside lower right. I'n not much of an DDO guy but I thought maybe. What does everyone think this is? is this moved metal from a deeply struck punch?
Thanks for looking.

BTW it's not listed on Copper and Nothing close Wexler

Eric

[CODYJ]

some whole coin pics please--

[jfines69]

Interesting... To me it looks like it could be related to die wear and the abrasions??? Not 100% sure tho... Whole coin pics would be nice!!!

[eaxtellcoin]

Everything around the rim is normal, I would have posted a pic if there was any fat letters. I have my M.M. lens on now with a lot of coins to picture so this will wait a while.

[jfines69]

No problem... Sounds like you got a lot of RPMs attribute... Cool!!!

[willbrooks]

Eric,
The 9 was not punched, so we can rule that out. (Alert: I am probably about to upset people again) I know that abrasion doubling has been dismissed as a thing by other leaders in the hobby; however, having performed some thought experiments on it, I believe that it is a thing and possibly the very thing we are seeing here on the 9. As for the mintmark, can you get a close up of the bottom serif? I have studied this mint mark until i was blue in the face and have written 2 articles about it. I think it is probably an rpm, but wouldn't say for sure without that close up. Thanks!

[eaxtellcoin]

Thanks for chiming in folks. Will, after closer examination you are probably right with your first thought. It's a broken punch I see nothing above the curve only below.
Anyways if everyone agree's with this I finally get to get rid of a few maybe's and place them in rolls for the kids. Here are two pics Will!!

[willbrooks]

Eric,
Based on what I see, I think it is a very minor rotated rpm. I am basing this on the very slight extra curl at the bottom. This is not part of the punch's deterioration!

[TPring]

Nice close-up.

The tip of the five (on the last pics) looks like doubling -- Unless that is just a lighting abnormality.

[jfines69]

Nice close-up.

The tip of the five (on the last pics) looks like doubling -- Unless that is just a lighting abnormality.

I think it is lighting??? Take a close look at the 1st 2 pics that may help!!!

[GrumpyEd]

If the pics color is true, it looks like a very nice red color. I find that 50-51 and 59 often have awesome red.

Will,

"I know that abrasion doubling has been dismissed as a thing by other leaders in the hobby" I didn't realize that but I think it does exist unless they are defining abrasion as only from polishing, I think it certainly exists from die wear.
If it didn't exist, the 1971 FS 030.7 is pretty tough to explain. When they say it doesn't exist do they mean abrasion from polishing or what?

[willbrooks]

If the pics color is true, it looks like a very nice red color. I find that 50-51 and 59 often have awesome red.

Will,

"I know that abrasion doubling has been dismissed as a thing by other leaders in the hobby" I didn't realize that but I think it does exist unless they are defining abrasion as only from polishing, I think it certainly exists from die wear.
If it didn't exist, the 1971 FS 030.7 is pretty tough to explain. When they say it doesn't exist do they mean abrasion from polishing or what?

They are definitely talking about abrasion, not die deterioration.

[eaxtellcoin]

Her is the whole coin pic everyone wanted..