1909 P DDR Transitional (Newly desgnated)

[Petespockets55]

Well, I got outbid for this 1909 DDR and hadn't even attributed which one it was but I'm sure someone in the know saw this auction as well.

There seems to be a die crack (precud?) under the front portion of the bust but the uneven color (suedo-woody?) makes it a little difficult to confirm. I was hoping to get it in hand to be able to make that determination.

I'm going out on a limb saying it may be a new die stage. Hopefully one of the authors of the study picked it up and will get it listed. Maybe someone here can determine which transitional variety it is (DDR-013 thru DDR-019)

Anyways, here are the images from the seller. They are pretty decent but I can only enlarge so much before the pixels come out to play.

[WaterSport]

It would be DDR 17-19 as those others (13-16) are designated for VDB coins. #19 does show a die crack at the bust if thats the area you are seeing your die crack.

This will be no doubt a difficult endeavor since there are so many cents made and so many DDR to find. Made even more difficult with crappy eBay pics. But a great number of 1909 cents will be found at coin shows and should be easily determined if they are any of those new DDR's.

Bob

[Petespockets55]

Thanks Bob.
(I neglected to note which were VDB varieties. I'll post an image later of what I think is a die crack. It was under the right half of the bust (lapel area) not near the shoulder.

[jfines69]

I can see the 2 ends of the crack but can not tell if it is on the jacket or not with the texture of the jacket???

[jay4202472000]

Glad I wasn’t one of the bidders bidding against you Cliff. It was already too high when I finally saw it. It’s a pretty DDR.

[coinman2009]

Definitely a class lll DDR. I didn’t see this one come through our group. These are going to be tough, I just sent 6 p mint examples, and another S mint to Dr. Wiles for attribution, the p mints I couldn’t match up to any of the P’s that got listed. The S mint has a different mintmark location than the others. Should be a few more listings, maybe a new stage or 2? I couldn’t quite figure them out. Nice catch seeing this one.

[Petespockets55]

Thanks Jay42. I had to leave half an hour prior to the end of the auction and was surprised somewhat by the bid activity that early in the am. (Auction ended at 7:30 am)

And CoinmanJay, Thanks and thanks for adding about this one slipping through your group's dragnet. Word has evidently caught on.