1905 Indian head Cent MD or Doubled Die?

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  • SuddenAdoration
    Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 918

    #1

    1905 Indian head Cent MD or Doubled Die?

    Hello
    Here is one I found a while back and not sure if this is machine doubling on the reverse or not. What do you think?

    thanks for taking a look and your help with this one
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  • mustbebob
    Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
    • Jul 2008
    • 12758

    #2
    That's called Longacre doubling. It is visible on most all Indian Head Cents. Vry common.
    Bob Piazza
    Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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    • kloccwork419
      Banned
      • Sep 2008
      • 6800

      #3
      Looks like it could be Longacre Doubling. It was from being re-engraved Im almost positive. Ill look for some info

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      • kloccwork419
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        • Sep 2008
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        #4
        Son of a ..................they put you response first because you have more posts...lol

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        • SuddenAdoration
          Member
          • Nov 2011
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          #5
          Thanks Bob & Jason! Now that's one I haven't heard of Love learning something new!!!

          lol @ Jason... looks like Bob answered 2 minutes before you did... but it's not the speed of answering that counts But good thing it wasn't a gun duel.... hehe he
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          • Steven
            Member
            • Dec 2007
            • 2691

            #6
            Moved thread to off topic.

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            • kloccwork419
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              • Sep 2008
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              #7
              Thats weird. Maybe hes cheating. They both said 1 min ago right when I posted...

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              • mustbebob
                Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                • Jul 2008
                • 12758

                #8
                Thats weird. Maybe hes cheating. They both said 1 min ago right when I posted...
                Must be the time warp continuum.
                Bob Piazza
                Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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                • flyhi3
                  Member
                  • Mar 2012
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mustbebob
                  Must be the time warp continuum.
                  Alexander Helzel
                  Ecrater eBay Facebook

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                  • onecent1909
                    Wrong Design Die Expert
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 2597

                    #10
                    pulled some info....
                    think of a coin as a design in play-doh... when the die hits the play-doh... the image is transferred on to the play-doh... like the plastic molds you now can use to make people,food, just about anything in play-doh.. now... move the die(mold) over a fraction and press down again... the design is there ..but part of it has been flattened... IF this is machine die doubling... the amount of area the letter takes up will be reduced by how much of the die "bounced" on the coin... the area of the letter PLUS the flattened area will equal a normal letter...next post
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                    • onecent1909
                      Wrong Design Die Expert
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 2597

                      #11
                      Richard Snow writes in his book..fe & Indian attribution guide 1859-1869...
                      "Extra outlines ...Many coins designed during James Longacre's tenure as chief engraver show outlines on the letters and portrait.these shelf like outlines are part of the device and lettering punch and are transferred to the master die.They seem to have no purpose at all.They are part of the design but will not show upon a die if the die was not hubbed deep enough or if the die was ground down to a point where the outlines are effaced.They can be used to describe dies,but are not themselves premium varieties"...
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                      Last edited by onecent1909; 08-07-2012, 10:06 PM.
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                      • onecent1909
                        Wrong Design Die Expert
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 2597

                        #12
                        John Wexler in his book.."the authoritative reference on Lincoln cents"
                        has 2 paragraphs to say...but basically he thinks the engraver may had wanted to trim the letters on the punch used.. he may slice the sides...leaving a flat area at the base of the letter... which if punched hard enough into the master die... would have an indent on the die... transferred down the line to the coin as a raised flat area around the letter...
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                        Last edited by onecent1909; 08-07-2012, 10:07 PM.
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                        • onecent1909
                          Wrong Design Die Expert
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 2597

                          #13
                          OK...check out Ken Potters website..http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/O...OfDoubling.htm
                          "Hob or Punch Shoulder Outlines".. look at the pic..9th one down

                          or check out error-ref... a new and upcoming website with some ties right here...
                          "By Mike Diamond, BJ Neff, Jeff Ylitalo, Jason Cuvelier, Fred Weinberg & Jon Sullivan"


                          I hope all this helps
                          John
                          Last edited by onecent1909; 08-07-2012, 10:05 PM.
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