Die clashed buffalo nickel with something else going on

[riff]

the die clashes are in the first pic, and the "else" in the rest. the only thing i could think of was an old hobo nickel someone started on and never finished.

[mustbebob]

Not so sure some of those are clash marks Rich. Looks like die damage, or deterioration. Is it possible to take pics zoomed out a little bit?

[riff]

is this enough?

[riff]

i didnt think about deterioration. this one was what i thought for sure was a clash. i didnt even consider like a gouge or something.

[coop]

Here is an overlay of a die clashed buffalo:

[riff]

Here is an overlay of a die clashed buffalo:

ok. so the engraved area was done to remove his nose and the got way over zealous with taking it off. wait. no, its incuse though. that cant be right. im confused.

[riff]

im throwing it away. it confuses me.

[coop]

The dies clashed together leaving an out line of the one field on the other field of the dies. They were dented clashing together. They usually polish the dies to remove the clash, but several may get through before the dies are pulled. Then those areas will just show scratches. The clashes can vary in strengths. Depending how the dies hit each other.

[jallengomez]

So the Indian's lips could have kissed the Buffalo's...?

[riff]

The dies clashed together leaving an out line of the one field on the other field of the dies. They were dented clashing together. They usually polish the dies to remove the clash, but several may get through before the dies are pulled. Then those areas will just show scratches. The clashes can vary in strengths. Depending how the dies hit each other.

i totally get what your saying, but what im confused about is the area behind the leg is incuse. i thought die clashes always showed themselves as raised areas like the one running north off of the (p)luribus.

[coop]

They can be incuse also. Depending on the devices that touch each other.

[jallengomez]

This can get boggling to think about sometimes, but when an incuse area of a die clashes with another die, it creates a raised area on the other die. This raised area then produces an incuse area on the struck planchet.

[coop]

The areas between letters can appear incuse.

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Nickel_Die_Clash_OBV.jpg

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Nickel_Die_Clash_REV.jpg

[liveandievarieties]

It's very normal Richard- you'll see that on nearly half the late date buffaloes you look at.

[trails]

We have some nice die clashed buffalo nickels over in MADdieclashes.com. Here is the link:

http://maddieclashes.com/nickels.html

These may help you in understanding what is happeneing during a die clash.