25th Set Silver Eagle DDO Die study

[Coinflip]

Not sure if anybody finds Silver Eagles interesting ,but here's this link for all interested parties

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=885655

[simonm]

Looks more like MD, which is to be expected on proofs as they are struck multiple times.

[Coinflip]

Every example I've seen looks extreme, and one cannot be found without it.

[jallengomez]

Other than some possible distortion in the date, I agree that it looks like MD. I'm not familiar with ASEs, so I admit there may be a design element that is doubled and I'm just not picking up on it. The shelf-like stuff is definitely MD though.

[jcuve]

This DDO has the normal characteristics of single squeeze doubling in the periphery of the design elements, with it being a little stronger the southern regions of die. Most noticeable as extra thickness in the upper date, IGWT and lower LIB of LIBERTY. I have not seen one in person. Speculating on the die life would need a specific analysis of multiple known dies and weight that versus the normal die run for a SE. The pictures posted have A LOT of machine doubling and those large PNG files are insanely large and slow loading. Why use them?

EDIT: Wiles has it as DDO-001 - I do not agree that it is class VI though.

[coppercoins]

Class 6 is the only existing class that comes closest to describing what this die has...if you don't count class 9, which CONECA doesn't. I would call it a class 9, shifted hub doubled die.

I work at one of the largest modern coin companies in the country and had a chance to look through a couple hundred of these sets. I found a couple dozen of these coins - just for fun - and took a look at them under a loupe. They are hub doubled, but the problem is that there is little to no market for die varieties on bullion issues unless the grading companies are willing to annotate the variety on their labels - and for this case, I can tell you that's a profound NO.

By the way, Silver Eagle dies have a life expectancy of about 30,000 coins.

[Coinflip]

SO the multidimensional gouges are certainly MD? and not evidence of a pivot or anything? I just find it insanely ironic that serious doubling is occurring mated with the MD like facets to the die, and find it interesting as well as the progression in chipping or what have you on the lower. Thanks for the replies

[Coinflip]

Thx Chuck, I was reading up on Class 9 myself on Error-Ref, and Wexler just earlier today, and was scratching my head looking at the coin, but since Im far from a die expert, I thought Id at least give people opportunity to see the pics of whatever is going on here.

[jcuve]

MD is rampant on proof coins when you care to examine them carefully.

[teryble]

Thanks for that link!

This DDO has the normal characteristics of single squeeze doubling in the periphery of the design elements, with it being a little stronger the southern regions of die. Most noticeable as extra thickness in the upper date, IGWT and lower LIB of LIBERTY. I have not seen one in person. Speculating on the die life would need a specific analysis of multiple known dies and weight that versus the normal die run for a SE. The pictures posted have A LOT of machine doubling and those large PNG files are insanely large and slow loading. Why use them?

EDIT: Wiles has it as DDO-001 - I do not agree that it is class VI though.

[Wayne]

Its believed to be a unique coin to the set

This 2011 (S) bullion 25th Anniversary Silver Eagle DDO is NOT a proof coin.
This DDO has no mint mark but according to multiple sources,it was minted exclusively in San Francisco.
These coins are also the first silver eagles minted at SanFrancisco.
The coin has a burnished finish and is not the same finish as the regular bullion coin available outside the 25th anniversary set.
The mintage is only 100,000
The 25th anniversary set has 2 unique coins (reverse proof and 2011-S) but it looks as though the no mintmark coin is a third unique coin as it is burnished and it was minted at SanFrancisco.
The ONLY way to get the coin slabbed as being from the 25th anniversary set is to submit the UNOPENED package to NGC or PCGS so the population will be much lower as many sets were opened for the reverse proof and the "S" coins.
This DDO is also the ONLY doubled die non proof silver eagle.


a couple of remarks from a discussion on CU.

a burnished bullion coin (no mintmark SanFrancisco coin)

On the October 31st (2011) issue of Coin World, the US Mint stated that each of the coins in this set were minted specifically for the set. This means that the coins were NOT taken from existing inventories but were in fact minted between August and September of this year.

In yesterday's CW, a Mint official, Tom Jurkowsky, reconfirmed that the bullion
coin in the set was minted exclusively at San Francisco. He said the decision to
do so was made after the COA's were printed. I don't know what more PCGS
needs to properly label this coin.

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=836602&highlight_key=y

[onecent1909]

"These coins are also the first silver eagles minted at SanFrancisco."
proof silver eagles from 86 to 92 were made at SanFrancisco

[Wayne]

yes

i am talking about NON proof SF coins.

[Coinflip]

ANACS slabs these as 2011(S) 25th set, that alone attracts buyers and adds flair and more collect-ability to the die IMO.

I probably should've posted the obvious doubling of the DDO, but I was trying to point out the distractions etc that would affect grading and the possibilities of a lower mintage etc

..among other things(the fact that whatever the MD-like areas are, its consistent across every example Ive seen as well, just being informative. An obvious DDO on the upper Date.