1964 Kennedy Half Transitional Rev?

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  • TJ1952
    Member
    • Apr 2016
    • 658

    #1

    1964 Kennedy Half Transitional Rev?

    So it's a 1964 business strike (looks MS+) with what I "think" is a transitional Rev.

    Can anyone verify/confirm the exact variety? Thanks!















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  • onecent1909
    Wrong Design Die Expert
    • Feb 2012
    • 2597

    #2
    Soooooo.
    There are 2 coins that I hate the names assigned to them.
    The 1988 P/D Wide AM
    The 1964 Kennedy Transitional Reverse

    ALL 1988 cents have a wide space between the A and M
    The difference is the G ... the shape of the G
    these should be reverse of 1989 ... or flared G... or something. I see people saying I have a 1988 D wide AM ...
    then I look and the plan G tells me it is just a 1988 D cent

    The Kennedy half was created in 1964. the accented hair proof was the very first design of that coin.
    The accented hair Obverse and Reverse are not transitional die. they were used in the same year they were supposed to be used in
    with that being said the reverse was just another slightly different design die.
    it is similar to the type 1.type 2, and type 3 1972 P Ike dollars
    there is no notation from the mint that I have ever seen discussing the use or no use of this die for proof or circ strikes
    what I am seeing is indeed the reverse proof die design that was married with the AH proof obverse die... but on a circ coin.
    Variety Vista list this as RDV-001 (straight G) for P,D, and proofs
    LINK

    I have both types of proofs and a RDV-002 circ for P and D.

    it is a variety, but the info I see.. it is a common variety
    I will check for some more info shortly
    Last edited by onecent1909; 03-22-2017, 06:54 PM.
    Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin Club

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    • TJ1952
      Member
      • Apr 2016
      • 658

      #3
      Originally posted by onecent1909
      Soooooo.
      There are 2 coins that I hate the names assigned to them.
      The 1988 P/D Wide AM
      The 1964 Kennedy Transitional Reverse

      ALL 1988 cents have a wide space between the A and M
      The difference is the G ... the shape of the G
      these should be reverse of 1989 ... or flared G... or something. I see people saying I have a 1988 D wide AM ...
      then I look and the plan G tells me it is just a 1988 D cent

      The Kennedy half was created in 1964. the accented hair proof was the very first design of that coin.
      The accented hair Obverse and Reverse are not transitional die. they were used in the same year they were supposed to be used in
      with that being said the reverse was just another slightly different design die.
      it is similar to the type 1.type 2, and type 3 1972 P Ike dollars
      there is no notation from the mint that I have ever seen discussing the use or no use of this die for proof or circ strikes
      what I am seeing is indeed the reverse proof die design that was married with the AH proof obverse die... but on a circ coin.
      Variety Vista list this as RDV-001 (straight G) for P,D, and proofs
      LINK

      I have both types of proofs and a RDV-002 circ for P and D.

      it is a variety, but the info I see.. it is a common variety
      I will check for some more info shortly
      Thanks very much for your detailed explanation. And thanks for that link. I've seen that site before. All that text looks great and is very impressive but where are the associated pictures with all those varieties. Like most of us, I'm a visual kind of guy.

      Hey, I just heard back from Jim Wiles. He's calling it ODV-002 and RDV-001. I guess he's the go-to guy! Unless I'm overlooking it, I don't see pictures of it on his website.

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      • onecent1909
        Wrong Design Die Expert
        • Feb 2012
        • 2597

        #4
        no he does not have pics of half Die Varieties.
        I too have sent him a Email asking about clarification on "transitional" in the reverse die case.
        if you Google 1964 AH Kennedy half there is a lot of info out there some with pics
        I have enjoyed this thought process about this coin. Good Luck
        John
        Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin Club

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        • TJ1952
          Member
          • Apr 2016
          • 658

          #5
          Originally posted by onecent1909
          no he does not have pics of half Die Varieties.
          I too have sent him a Email asking about clarification on "transitional" in the reverse die case.
          if you Google 1964 AH Kennedy half there is a lot of info out there some with pics
          I have enjoyed this thought process about this coin. Good Luck
          John
          Will do. Thanks John!

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          • TJ1952
            Member
            • Apr 2016
            • 658

            #6
            Just a follow-up. At what grade do you think this would start to bring a premium?

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            • onecent1909
              Wrong Design Die Expert
              • Feb 2012
              • 2597

              #7
              A premium?
              for a variety to have a premium price people need to want it.
              everyone who collects Doubled Dies wants a 1955 DDO 1
              1955 D DDO 1 .. not as much
              so the price of a 55 DDO vs a 55 D DDO BIG difference.
              PCGS and NGC does not list this... Cherrypickers Guide dose not list it or gives it a FS number
              although a cool variety I believe this happened across all mints and proof and Business strike also.
              IF it was published and people thought," cool variety, wish I had one" and more and more people wanted it.
              It would carry a premium. right now as a variety I do not think the market is there for a premium based on condition
              Sorry about this.
              try and get Coin World or Numismatist News to right up an article on it....
              Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin Club

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              • TJ1952
                Member
                • Apr 2016
                • 658

                #8
                Originally posted by onecent1909
                A premium?
                for a variety to have a premium price people need to want it.
                everyone who collects Doubled Dies wants a 1955 DDO 1
                1955 D DDO 1 .. not as much
                so the price of a 55 DDO vs a 55 D DDO BIG difference.
                PCGS and NGC does not list this... Cherrypickers Guide dose not list it or gives it a FS number
                although a cool variety I believe this happened across all mints and proof and Business strike also.
                IF it was published and people thought," cool variety, wish I had one" and more and more people wanted it.
                It would carry a premium. right now as a variety I do not think the market is there for a premium based on condition
                Sorry about this.
                try and get Coin World or Numismatist News to right up an article on it....

                Can't argue with that explanation. I guess I was thinking if it came back MS66 or better, the interest in the coin and premium would up. I guess it's all subjective. A coin is only worth what someone is will to pay for it. Thank God this coin stuff is only a hobby for me. If I had to make a living out of coins, I would have starved years ago!

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                • GrumpyEd
                  Member
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 7229

                  #9
                  I see people saying I have a 1988 D wide AM ...
                  then I look and the plan G tells me it is just a 1988 D cent
                  Having "wide AM" in the description isn't needed. It should only mention the plain G or the flared G or kickstand G but not the wide AM.

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                  • onecent1909
                    Wrong Design Die Expert
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 2597

                    #10
                    Originally posted by GrumpyEd
                    Having "wide AM" in the description isn't needed. It should only mention the plain G or the flared G or kickstand G but not the wide AM.
                    Yep that is my point.
                    I HATE the term Wide AM for the 1988 cents.
                    But the Cherrypickers Guide list it that way, so that is what people call it.
                    Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin Club

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                    • jfines69
                      Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 28848

                      #11
                      Originally posted by onecent1909
                      Yep that is my point.
                      I HATE the term Wide AM for the 1988 cents.
                      But the Cherrypickers Guide list it that way, so that is what people call it.
                      I am glad you discussed this... I thought I was missing something!!!
                      Jim
                      (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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