John Adams Presidential Dollar with die chip in the R

[VAB2013]

One day last week while getting lunch at Wendy's drive thru, as the girl was giving me back change she said... quarter dollar, quarter dollar.

She gave me a John Adams and Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Dollar. I am not familiar with them so I did some research and the ones I have are not errors, the edge lettering is normal, etc. But the John Adams Dollar has a nice chip in the R of America. Don't know if it's large enough to be an IDB so I will send photos to JC to see what he thinks.

[jfines69]

Nice pics Vivien... I can not visualize the chip size in relation to coin size at this moment... If it were a Lincoln size I would say a chip??? She gave you these as quarters???

[GrumpyEd]

See if it gets listed.

Those presi dollars aren't very welcome by cashiers.

Back when everyone was looking for the missing edge letters I noticed that if I put one in the Coke machine at work and hit the "return" it would give back a different coin so kept doing it hoping to get one with no edge letters. In the end I only got a Coke

Some of the missing edge letter dollars are really random errors that got out but a hoard of them were taken on purpose by a mint worker, not sure if the lettering was done last??? but the guy was stealing them without it and selling them until he got caught, maybe because he was selling so many. Makes me wonder how bad their security was since the worker too lots (thousands) of them!

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The big variety out of the whole "golden dollar" series is the 2000 Sac with the special tail feathers (different RDV).
Maybe none were circulated except they had the thing where in your box of Cheerios for the 2000 millennium it either had a 2000 cent sealed on a card or some lucky boxes had the 2000 Sac dollar. The only known ones of that RDV came from Cheerios boxes. There were 5500 of the 2000 Sac dollars given out in the boxes but not all are the special RDV.

The number found is very low, I guess people spent em for a dollar so they might be out there to be found.
Very high value, in the CPG as "Cheerios FS-401".

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[jfines69]

Cool info Ed... Thanks!!!

[makecents]

Nice chip Viv and very good pics, you're closeup shows it in great detail!! Hope you have a new listing!

[makecents]

See if it gets listed.

Those presi dollars aren't very welcome by cashiers.

Back when everyone was looking for the missing edge letters I noticed that if I put one in the Coke machine at work and hit the "return" it would give back a different coin so kept doing it hoping to get one with no edge letters. In the end I only got a Coke

Some of the missing edge letter dollars are really random errors that got out but a hoard of them were taken on purpose by a mint worker, not sure if the lettering was done last??? but the guy was stealing them without it and selling them until he got caught, maybe because he was selling so many. Makes me wonder how bad their security was since the worker too lots (thousands) of them!

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The big variety out of the whole "golden dollar" series is the 2000 Sac with the special tail feathers (different RDV).
Maybe none were circulated except they had the thing where in your box of Cheerios for the 2000 millennium it either had a 2000 cent sealed on a card or some lucky boxes had the 2000 Sac dollar. The only known ones of that RDV came from Cheerios boxes. There were 5500 of the 2000 Sac dollars given out in the boxes but not all are the special RDV.

The number found is very low, I guess people spent em for a dollar so they might be out there to be found.
Very high value, in the CPG as "Cheerios FS-401".

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I had done some research on these as well and found there is very little out there as far as errors, not much fun. Good story on the mint worker though, I didn't realize that was how many of the no edge letter coins came to be.

Different series but one of my favorite small dollar errors to look for is the wounded eagle. The 2000 P Sacagawea Dollar. http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/147883

[VAB2013]

Nice pics Vivien... I can not visualize the chip size in relation to coin size at this moment... If it were a Lincoln size I would say a chip??? She gave you these as quarters???

Thank you Jim, in comparison to a quarter, the Presidential Dollar is larger by exactly the size of the collar so this is a pretty large die chip. I had four dollars and some change coming back so she gave me two dollar bills, two Presidential Dollars and the odd change. I was pretty surprised to get these back as change! If my scope had 1/8" longer pole I could have gotten the whole coin photo.

[VAB2013]

Thank you Ed and Jon! That is interesting information you posted! I looked online to see what to look for on these Presidential Dollars and didn't see the information Ed told us but did see where there was an abundance of these so the Mint was ordered to stop production. The criteria was a President had to be deceased for two years before they could be on a Presidential Dollar so President Reagan was the last President on the Presidential Dollar.

Jon, I looked for other anomalies on these two and could not find anything, but will look again. Not used to seeing this type of design so I could have missed something. That wounded eagle 2000 P Sacagawea Dollar you linked is a cool error!

[makecents]

Where the wife works with change everyday, she buys and brings home anything out of the norm, such as the presidential dollars, Sacagawea Dollars, halves, wheats and foreign coins. It's always fun to see what she may have found!

[VAB2013]

Where the wife works with change everyday, she buys and brings home anything out of the norm, such as the presidential dollars, Sacagawea Dollars, halves, wheats and foreign coins. It's always fun to see what she may have found!

That is so cool that you and your wife are coin hunters! You two are a great team!

[VAB2013]

Heard back from JC and this die chip is too small... however if it had been in an "unusual" place he probably would have listed it. So... if you find questionable chips whether it's size or location, still post them on the forum so JC can decide!

Thank you JC for taking a look!

[jfines69]

Thanks for the follow up Vivien!!!

[jfines69]

I had done some research on these as well and found there is very little out there as far as errors, not much fun. Good story on the mint worker though, I didn't realize that was how many of the no edge letter coins came to be.

Different series but one of my favorite small dollar errors to look for is the wounded eagle. The 2000 P Sacagawea Dollar. http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/147883

They list that as a variety instead of an error... Interesting... I have a roll of these and will need to check them out... Got the roll in 2000!!!

[GrumpyEd]

but did see where there was an abundance of these so the Mint was ordered to stop production. The criteria was a President had to be deceased for two years before they could be on a Presidential Dollar so President Reagan was the last President on the Presidential Dollar.

Viv,

It got even worse than that.
The mint was eager to make the dollars work but in reality people prefer paper dollars so unless they stop paper dollars the coins had no chance and people like paper dollars so they were not willing to stop printing them.

Just imagine if you could order bricks of cents direct from the mint and get them at face with free shipping? A lot of would love that eh?

They did that in an effort to get people to use the dollar coins. You could order them from the mint with free shipping to your house.
It sounds ok but it did not work. Instead some people abused the system, they ordered them and paid with credit cards to rack up cashback and airline miles on their credit cards. They deposited the bricks of dollars to the banks, nobody wants to carry around a heavy pocket full of big dollar coins to shop and no store would like getting them. The program cost the gov a lot in shipping charges and it did not get the dollar coins into real use. The banks were alienated because like they don't want to be a service for collectors searching cent bricks they also didn't want to be accepting hoards of dollar coins that they had no demand for. It was a flop and didn't work so the mint reduced how many you could order then dropped the free shipping then they ended the program.


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[VAB2013]

Ed, that is very interesting! Wonder why this was such a flop? I supposed they minted Proofs and circulation coins at the same time? Guess somebody thought the general public would like the idea, but I agree, it would be very frustrating carrying around dollar coins! What I read on wiki is, in 2011 1.4 billion (stacked would reach from LA to Chicago) were stockpiled, then by 2016 that number may have reached 2 billion. I'd say somebody made a big mistake! Or who knows, that somebody may have been one of the ones on the plane to the Bahama's!