2013 $20 note error? Gold number showing on reverse

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  • Sheila ruley
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    • May 2016
    • 2504

    #1

    2013 $20 note error? Gold number showing on reverse

    Would this be considered an error that would be collectible? The gold number 20 has some of the gold leaked through to the reverse. Opinions please.
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  • makecents
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    • Jun 2017
    • 11037

    #2
    That's a good question Sheila. I've never noticed it before so I'm not sure if it's common or not. Let's see what the others say. Nice pics by the way!

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    • Petespockets55
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      • Dec 2014
      • 6882

      #3
      That is neat Sheila. Nice images. They seem to show the color slightly raised.
      To me it seems like it transferred from another sheet that was touching this one.
      Since you don't see this happen all the time I would assume that it is an error and there are probably people that collect it.
      Since this does not seem to be a normal occurrence, I'm going to say it has to do with the amount of gold ink being deposited on the 20. If these are printed in sheets of 32 or 64 each one as they are getted stacked may have the same issue.
      Nice observation.

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      • Sheila ruley
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        • May 2016
        • 2504

        #4
        Yes. The gold ink is raised. I was looking everywhere online that I could. I googled it and came with nothing. I too, have never seen the gold ink transferred like that. Thank you for the compliment on the pictures. This was especially hard because I had to use one hand to hold the note and the other one to take the pictures.

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        • jfines69
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          • Jun 2010
          • 28631

          #5
          Cool find... I need to look at mine now... It does not appear to be a print error as the numbers look reversed... The ink transferred from an under lying sheet... The ink is suppose to dry nearly instantly... Wonder if there is a way to find out if a star note is in circulation with that serial number on it???
          Jim
          (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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          • Petespockets55
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            • Dec 2014
            • 6882

            #6
            Wait a minute. Could this be a printing error?

            If it was transferred from another note due to wet ink, wouldn't the numbers show up in reverse (like a vise job cent). These numbers are normal orientation, correct. So does that mean this has the obverse (gold) 20 struck on the reverse?
            Last edited by Petespockets55; 04-08-2018, 05:55 AM.

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            • GrumpyEd
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              • Jan 2013
              • 7229

              #7
              Realistically I don't think it would get a premium if it's bleed through or transferred.
              Mostly because it costs $20 face so that's the price to hold onto it and that's steep for what it is and it's circulated and has the red ink on it. Same deal with pay to the bearer 20s that are circulated, they're not worth the $20 cost of keeping.

              So many 20s are messed up by banks, they stamp em or they put that ink on the corner like the red on this one. Cashiers put marks from the test pens on them too.

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              • jfines69
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                • Jun 2010
                • 28631

                #8
                Originally posted by Petespockets55
                Wait a minute.
                If it was transferred from another note due to wet ink, wouldn't the numbers show up in reverse (like a vise job cent). These numbers are normal orientation, correct. So does that mean it is struck with the obverse gold 20 on the reverse?
                I did a side by side comparison of the full note pics and the 20 looked reversed to me - 0 over 2 and 2 over the 0 offset west and north on the rev pic... Did I miss something???
                Jim
                (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                • GrumpyEd
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                  • Jan 2013
                  • 7229

                  #9
                  In the end, it does not matter which it was, either way it's not worth $20 to save it for that reason.
                  Cents are different, if it's worth 5 cents, you only lose a cent to put it in a flip and save it.
                  Saving $20 bills is different because it costs $20 to save it.

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                  • Petespockets55
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                    • Dec 2014
                    • 6882

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jfines69
                    I did a side by side comparison of the full note pics and the 20 looked reversed to me - 0 over 2 and 2 over the 0 offset west and north on the rev pic... Did I miss something???
                    Thanks Jim. You're right, the anomaly is printed "02" (20 in reverse).
                    I was basing my observation on image#3 which has a normal 2 in the closeup, not reversed. I jumped the gun thinking this was the closeup of the anomaly. I believe Shelia was providing an image of the normal 2 for comparison.

                    BTW, other obverse elements show up on the columns and TY DOLLAR, so it is just ink transfer.

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                    • Sheila ruley
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                      • May 2016
                      • 2504

                      #11
                      Yes. That is the exact reason I posted the 2&0 up close.

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                      • jfines69
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                        • Jun 2010
                        • 28631

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Petespockets55
                        Thanks Jim. You're right, the anomaly is printed "02" (20 in reverse).
                        I was basing my observation on image#3 which has a normal 2 in the closeup, not reversed. I jumped the gun thinking this was the closeup of the anomaly. I believe Shelia was providing an image of the normal 2 for comparison.

                        BTW, other obverse elements show up on the columns and TY DOLLAR, so it is just ink transfer.
                        Thanks now I have to go look again
                        Jim
                        (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                        • jfines69
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                          • Jun 2010
                          • 28631

                          #13
                          Would it be ok to down load your full bill images and try an overlay??? I see what Cliff is talking about on the design transfer but can't figure it all out yet... I will post the overlays back on here if you wish!!!
                          Jim
                          (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                          • jfines69
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                            • Jun 2010
                            • 28631

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Petespockets55
                            Thanks Jim. You're right, the anomaly is printed "02" (20 in reverse).
                            I was basing my observation on image#3 which has a normal 2 in the closeup, not reversed. I jumped the gun thinking this was the closeup of the anomaly. I believe Shelia was providing an image of the normal 2 for comparison.

                            BTW, other obverse elements show up on the columns and TY DOLLAR, so it is just ink transfer.
                            That is cool... I see some of the design transfer... Thanks for the heads up!!!
                            Jim
                            (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                            • Sheila ruley
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                              • May 2016
                              • 2504

                              #15
                              Sure! Go on ahead! I don't mind. I don't have that kind of technology.

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