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  • Roller
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    • Feb 2010
    • 6975

    #1

    1866 Three Cent Nickel DDO

    Pulled another anomaly from my small stash of three cent nickels. I believe this one is listed ad 1866B 14b.
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  • willbrooks
    Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

    • Jan 2012
    • 9477

    #2
    Is this a variety? The first 6 is reduced in size compared to the second 6, similar to MD. Weird.
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    • Roller
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      • Feb 2010
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      #3
      I'm going by page 146 of the treatise linked by Petespockets in his post.

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      • willbrooks
        Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

        • Jan 2012
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        #4
        Originally posted by Roller
        I'm going by page 146 of the treatise linked by Petespockets in his post.
        Oh, ok. Let's just try to remember that almost everything ever published about coins is complete bullshit.
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        • Roller
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          • Feb 2010
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          #5
          Originally posted by willbrooks
          Oh, ok. Let's just try to remember that almost everything ever published about coins is complete bullshit.
          Don't know about that but the sixes are different in size on the normal design. If you care to look on the PCGS site to compare.

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          • willbrooks
            Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

            • Jan 2012
            • 9477

            #6
            Originally posted by Roller
            Don't know about that but the sixes are different in size on the normal design. If you care to look on the PCGS site to compare.
            Great. Baby steps. Now ask yourself why would that be?
            Hint: there is no such thing as a "normal design" when digits are punched by hand. Just like mint marks before 1989. Every single one is different. There is no normal. They are weak, they are strong, they are all over the place, they are bigger, they are smaller, they are tilted, they are doubled, tripled, whatever!!!! They are ****ing snowflakes, no two are the same. There is no normal.
            Every die you look at will have a different looking date. If your reference source doesn't explain that to you, then why do you listen to them. Jim syndrome.
            Last edited by willbrooks; 05-28-2024, 04:53 PM.
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            • Roller
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              • Feb 2010
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              #7
              I used "normal" for lacking a better word under the circumstances. But if what you say is true (and I believe it is) then why do you base your response on the difference between the two sixes?

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              • willbrooks
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                • Jan 2012
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                #8
                Originally posted by Roller
                I used "normal" for lacking a better word under the circumstances. But if what you say is true (and I believe it is) then why do you base your response on the difference between the two sixes?
                I don't. It was sarcasm.
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                • willbrooks
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                  • Jan 2012
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                  #9
                  Just because PCGS says something doesn't make it true.
                  Last edited by willbrooks; 05-29-2024, 06:20 AM.
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                  • willbrooks
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                    • Jan 2012
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                    #10
                    Not cleaned, right? But it's Rick Snow. https://www.ebay.com/itm/18644383215...mis&media=COPY
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                    • willbrooks
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                      • Jan 2012
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                      #11
                      And they stole $188 from me that I'm calling the police about.
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                      • Roller
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                        • Feb 2010
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by willbrooks
                        I don't. It was sarcasm.
                        Seriously.

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                        • Petespockets55
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                          • Dec 2014
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                          #13
                          I have to agree with both of you. It is in the reference book and it does resemble MD.
                          But there are definitely some Lincolns that are designated a DDO with the same MD look to them, to me. (1935 comes to mind).
                          This may be why they require more than one specimen to officially recognize new varieties in this series, to rule out MD.

                          BTW- Your coin has some killer markers with 9(?) die cracks on the reverse. I'm surprised it is only a "c" stage.

                          FWIW- One thing I noticed on the first 6 on almost all coins that year, was that it has kind of a "flat" spot to the top curve.

                          The author goes into detail about die pairs and anomalies on master dies and so on. It gets pretty detailed. There is a lot of info to digest.
                          Here is a sample of information from page 44:
                          "...RMD#1 was used to manufacture every reverse working hub. Consequently Class C Longacre Doubling is visible on the reverse of every Three Cent Nickel struck from 1865 to 1889 depending upon the specific amount of polishing performed on each reverse working die. ..." (RMD#1 is Reverse Master Die #1)

                          (Interesting information about imparting the dates onto the dies occur in the last paragraph at the bottom of page 19.)

                          ps. Yep, I'm rambling some.

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                          • Roller
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                            • Feb 2010
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by willbrooks
                            I don't. It was sarcasm.
                            Yeah, that's what I thought. It's not like you could have stepped on your own d**k.

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                            • Roller
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                              • Feb 2010
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Petespockets55
                              I have to agree with both of you. It is in the reference book and it does resemble MD.
                              But there are definitely some Lincolns that are designated a DDO with the same MD look to them, to me. (1935 comes to mind).
                              This may be why they require more than one specimen to officially recognize new varieties in this series, to rule out MD.

                              BTW- Your coin has some killer markers with 9(?) die cracks on the reverse. I'm surprised it is only a "c" stage.

                              FWIW- One thing I noticed on the first 6 on almost all coins that year, was that it has kind of a "flat" spot to the top curve.

                              The author goes into detail about die pairs and anomalies on master dies and so on. It gets pretty detailed. There is a lot of info to digest.
                              Here is a sample of information from page 44:
                              "...RMD#1 was used to manufacture every reverse working hub. Consequently Class C Longacre Doubling is visible on the reverse of every Three Cent Nickel struck from 1865 to 1889 depending upon the specific amount of polishing performed on each reverse working die. ..." (RMD#1 is Reverse Master Die #1)

                              (Interesting information about imparting the dates onto the dies occur in the last paragraph at the bottom of page 19.)

                              ps. Yep, I'm rambling some.
                              Thanks for the link to Garry's site, Cliff. He agrees that the 1881 is a filled die and opines that the 1866 is an RPD and DDO.

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