Crazy Clash?

[akovia]

Not quite sure what's going on here. Pretty sure it's a clash, but the swirls have me baffled.

Ako

[Roller]

I can't wait to her from those in the know. The obverse damage happened out of the collar (I would think) because the rim isdamaged. Hope I'm wrong.

[akovia]

I can post full size photos if needed. The board default size doesn't show as much detail as I thought it would. The originals are cropped to around 1600 x 1600. Let me know if I should post them.

Ako

[Roller]

The pictures are clear enough. We need someone to diagnose the anomaly.

[copperlover]

Sure is an interesting one. Can't wait to hear the analysis.

Lucien

[mustbebob]

It is all Post Strike damage, and is also known as a garage job. Some one stuck a few coins together in a vice, or hammered them toether. The smaller circle imprints on the reverse may be from a washer.

[akovia]

Since I am still somewhat new to this, can someone explain what motivates a person to create such a random act of disfiguration in such a random way, and send it out into the world? If this is common, there must be a reason for it and it really has me curious.

Thanks,
Ako

[Roller]

It's compulsive coinicide. The FBI is looking into it.

[kloccwork419]

Its to make people, like yourself, believe that its something that its not.
They throw garbage like this on eBay all the time. People new to the hobby or ones that dont know anything at all about the hobby think thats its a rare error and get ripped off. Thats the ONLY reason this is done. Thats why forums like this are so priceless. You posted this coin and now you know thats its just damage. Your already one step above most buyers on ebay

[trails]

Bob P. is correct in his analysis as are the others who chimed in concerning why this is done.

BJ Neff

[akovia]

Its to make people, like yourself, believe that its something that its not.

Actually I had no preconceived notions of how it was made or the worth which is the reason I posted it in the first place. My inquiry was earnest as to the motivation of creating something like this and then releasing it into the wild. If profit was the motivation, then I would think it would be difficult to collect by putting it into circulation. That is why my curiosity was piqued.

Seeing as someone "coined" a term for this type of damage, it must be a common occurrence. Hence, there must be a good amount of profit to be had. To find it in a fed wrapped bank roll is where I got lost. I can only guess it's a mystery as to how that happened. If my inquiry into this mystery sounded like a challenge to mustbebob's assessment, it couldn't be further from the truth and I apologize. I value the opinions of the professionals here and think it's an incredible resource for beginners like myself. I have no reason to doubt them and you all have my thanks for taking the time to help me learn.

Now I am even more curious to find out what something like this would be worth if it happened at the mint than I was about how it happened. When I found it I definitely thought it was neat and was excited to find out more about it, but I never imagined it would be worth enough even if it was real to to motivate someone to try and "create" it. It's obvious I still have lots to learn and apologize again if it was a stupid question. It wasn't meant to be.

Ako

I am a skeptic by nature and would have applied that trait immediately if I had thought the coin had any real worth.

[kloccwork419]

Im not saying that you fell for it, but "not knowing" is what the makers of these coins prey on. Something like this cant occur at the mint,thats why we know its damage. You can find anything in a Fed roll.

If this coin was listed on ebay, someone would buy it just from not knowing any better. If there was a possibility that it was made at the mint, which there isnt, then someone would need to see it in hand to make an assessment on what actually happened. Since theres no possible way that it was made at the mint, then it was man made.

Just happy you never fell for it or had your hopes up! If theres any concern of a coin you find, just post it and someone will be along to help you out.
We have the best of the best experts here that are constantly busy but seem to ALWAYS have time for the little guys! Thast why this is such a great place

[trails]

Through some quirk of unimaginable odds, this could have happened at the mint, though it would have the same worth as a similar coin that was manipulated outside the mint. That was why the term "Post Mint Damage" is a bit misleading and the term "Post Strike Damage" is now used to describe such happenings.

Though I am unsure how this particular coin would happen inside the mint, similar coins with coin to coin design transfers have been found (which this post is about) in sewn mint bags. So, it can happen. Lately, we have seen the edge lettering on the presidential dollar coins being transfer to other areas on both the edge and the fields of the coin itself. This has occurred from an inadvertent contact between two or more coins while in transit from the coin press to the warping machines.

BJ Neff

[kloccwork419]

Makes sense BJ. I been noticing PSD being said a few times lately. I guess it could of happened in the mint, but not during the stiking process. So it would still be damage. So PSD is alot better term. More precise definition

[DoubleYou]

It's compulsive coinicide. The FBI is looking into it.

Wendell