1970s is this a ddo?

[jennifermclements]

okay

while yes i see it as well on this pic , PRETEND the mintmark is not there. ARE YOU WITHME? okay. Now PRetending that the mintmark is not there, or that it isnt dooubled and it really is a bad picture, would you say that this penny is hub doubled?!!! I am going to Take it to a coin dealer and have it checked by hand .. i would post a video of it if i could, my scanner makes all the coins i scan look distorted,.. anyhow aside from the mint mark what would you say about the coin? references, websites anything to back up your answer would be great .

[Maineman750]

Notice how thin the numbers in the date get when you pretend the doubled part isn't there ? That's another sign of machine doubling.

[jennifermclements]

wait...

so let me get this straight, your saying that even though there is rounded doubling and clear notching and split serifs that characterize a doubled die, the fact the back isnt doubled and the doubled areas are consistent throughout, also you can clearly tell where the "pivit" or what have you happend , it is still not a doubled die? im just trying to understand here, is it not at all possible that a coin can be a doubled die but also display machine damage as well? Im not meaning to argue but i dont understand how ya'll arnt seeing what im seeing? i even copied a 1970 s pasted it into paint.net and put it as an overlay and it matched up exactly so i guess im just trying to understand , if i'm wrong then i am wrong, and please help me see where i amwrong so i can know what to look for in the future.

[Maineman750]

The picture of the real doubled die does not match up...close but no cigar. Again, the thiness of the numbers when you take away the doubling is a huge indicator. Lack of machine doubling on the reverse means nothing. Look at the 9 on the authentic coin...see how it has full thickness ? And I do not see any notching. 69 thru 72 are famous for machine doubling like this. Again, send this to Mustbebob if you want an expert opinion.Most dealers do not know the difference between hub doubling and machine doubling unless they are variety experts.Bob is one of the best there is. And you can ask all the questions you want...that's how we learn and you won't be put down for that on here.

[jennifermclements]

oh and P.s.

heres something that i got from coinsworld

The picture comes from The Cherrypicker's Guide by Fivaz and Stanton. Does your coin display strong doubling? Especially on the WE? If so, congratulations, you have a very valuable coin.

The pic also shows some faint doubling on the S mint mark.

You should have your coins slabbed by PCGS, ICG, NGC, or ANACS. It is a valuable piece. Cherrpicker's says over $500 US dollars, and my copy is only the third edition.

You can get a copy of Cherrypickers at this link. Please write to me if you know anything about Bill and JT.

http://www.coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coins?main_coin=795&main_ct_id=90

[jennifermclements]

heres another picture of the date on the same coin

and yeah the pics i am putting up are kinda warped .. my scanner blows . the coin looks different every freakin time i scan it.. even when i dont adjust the setting..ugh.

heres another one to maybe help yall out

[Maineman750]

The new pic convinces me even more that I'm making the correct attribution. And I forgot to answer that yes, machine doubling could happen on a doubled die. But tell me, do you understand what I'm telling you in that the numbers become too thin when you take away the doubling ?

[jennifermclements]

nope

no dude got no clue what your saying. the damn thing looks so different when im holding it then in the retarded scanner so now im just confused :*( maybe i should take a picture of it and post it instead of scanning?

[Maineman750]

It is not easy to take good pics of coins for this type of work, but I don't think better pics will change my mind. Put this coin in a flip and send to Bob just to ease your mind.Only costs a few bucks and then you'll have an educational piece for the future..or a $500 coin and "I told ya" bragging rights. Believe me , I'd love to be wrong on this one.

[mustbebob]

I will be happy to have a look at it for no charge. If you send it, I will also take pictures for you that you can compare with known varieties to see for yourself if the coin is simple machine doubling, or a hub doubled die. If you are interested, just send me a private message and I will let you know the specifics on sending it.

[Dimenhigh]

no dude got no clue what your saying. the damn thing looks so different when im holding it then in the retarded scanner so now im just confused :*( maybe i should take a picture of it and post it instead of scanning?

You should buy yourself a small 60x microscope from ebay or somewhere . They cost just a few bucks . What I think this guy is saying is that from your pictures if you took away the "doubling" then the numbers would be to thin , meaning that the "doubling" your seeing is just a glare hitting the the side of the digits (as opposed to the surface of the digits). This happens to me alot & that is why you can see the doubling sometimes & then from a different view you cant. I have seen this so many times myself that I am 100% convinced that this is what this coin is showing too (judging by the pics)

[Maineman750]

"meaning that the "doubling" your seeing is just a glare "

Actually, that's not completely true. If you take away the doubling and the devices (numbers) are too thin, it can also mean that it is machine doubling. A doubled die will have the normal devices along with extra thickness,therefore, if you take away the doubling,you still have normal thickness on the devices. Regardless,take Bob's offer for an in-hand examination by one of the best in the business.You can't go wrong.

[hasfam]

Interesting thread. Some very wise things said here by very wise people. I'm hoping for the best regarding the coin, but I would say we have all benefited already from some of these posts. Well done in my opinion.