1988 with rim separation at IN GOD

[VAB2013]

Don't ask me why this is bugging me, but it is. I am just wondering what causes this separation at the rim, the devices appear to be bending over it. My first uneducated guess is die deterioration and there appears to be some lamination issues at the edge of the affected area.

I also attached a photo of a 1959P with a similar thing going on that was posted on an earlier thread. Thank you for taking a look and providing answers!

[coop]

On the Zincolns it is too much pressure for the strike. It can happen on the rim/columns/tops of devices on the post 1982 cents.

On the 1959, I'm thinking the "L" on liberty is flattened? Is there any other mirror image on the rest of the coin faces?

[willbrooks]

The first coin is a ridge ring which is the result of die deterioration. Not sure about the 2nd coin.

[VAB2013]

Thank you Coop and Will

Coop I do not understand your question

"On the 1959, I'm thinking the "L" on liberty is flattened? Is there any other mirror image on the rest of the coin faces"

[JC Stevens]

The 88 is covered above.
Now the 59 is interesting. Could you post an image of the full OBV. From the image you posted it looks like the L is in a gutter. I think COOP's question is "Is the L flat and even with the surface of the coin?" The gutter I'm seeing, does it go all the way around the inside of the rim?

[VAB2013]

The 88 is covered above.
Now the 59 is interesting. Could you post an image of the full OBV. From the image you posted it looks like the L is in a gutter. I think COOP's question is "Is the L flat and even with the surface of the coin?" The gutter I'm seeing, does it go all the way around the inside of the rim?

Thank you for looking at this 2Old Here is the link to the former post with pics. I am unable to take full coin shots with my scope.

http://lincolncentresource.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31645

I have seen other zincoln's that are similar to this 1988 and it made me think back to this 1959. What you describe as "in the gutter" is exactly what I am seeing. I knew it could not be an off center strike, so that is why I brought it back up.

[coop]

The 1959 cents were the multiple hub dies. On the 1988 they were the single squeeze die creation. On the 1980's Zincolns and even later you see an area on the dies that are polished the devices are almost removed and it has a raised area next to the rim devices. But I'm not sure what you are showing on the 1959 cent. When two coins are squeezed together in a vise, the rim makes a gutter in one or both coins. Depending how much off set they are.

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/Vise_Squeezed_Cent.jpg

[JC Stevens]

Sorry, just got back to this.

Like I said before "the 59 is interesting".

I think it's Peripheral Die Damage, in your case a Rim Burr. Below is a link and if you scroll down the page you will see a coin that is very much like yours. Yours is a very neat coin.

http://error-ref.com/peripheral-die-damage.html

PDS .
A Strike Through a Rim Burr is defined as: A coin which was struck with a partially sheared or detached narrow triangular piece of the rim metal sticking to the planchet, showing on the struck coin as a normal part of the surface, but separated from the planchet metal by a fine crack, or showing as a shallow indentation if the rim burr has fallen out.

[coppercoins]

Single squeeze didn't start on circulating cents until 1997.

[VAB2013]

Thank you very much 2Old, this is a great explanation of what I see on this coin. And I also realize now that similar anomalies in zinc and copper coins can have very different causes. Appreciate all of your time and trouble with this one!

[VAB2013]

Looks like we have a little debate going on regarding the 1988 in question. I will step back now and let you guys continue as I am unable to select a "best answer" at this point and it may be due to the fact that this anomaly could have multiple causes. Thanks!

[coppercoins]

If the 'debate' is regarding the method of die manufacture in 1988, there is no debate. ALL dies for circulating Lincoln cents were multiple hubbed (just like the 1959 dies) until 1997. That's a fact...not a debate.

The 1988 coin you have is die wear, just like others have mentioned. It is rather common and exists mainly on cents dated 1984-1988. The method of die manufacture has nothing at all to do with the wear. It is the result of the composition and die pressure when striking coins along with some die quality issues they resolved before 1990.

[VAB2013]

Thank you very much coppercoins for providing this answer! Also, thanks to 2Old for answering the question regarding the 1959P!

[Maineman750]

Please note that the 1959 does not match the 1983 shown on error-ref in that the damage extends into the rims...I believe coop is right about a vice job.

[JC Stevens]

Please note that the 1959 does not match the 1983 shown on error-ref in that the damage extends into the rims...I believe coop is right about a vice job.

If it's a vice job wouldn't there be damage to the L in LIBERTY? I don't see any.