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  • mindtab
    Member
    • Dec 2018
    • 553

    #1

    1979 vertical bars

    Hello everyone. Was wondering if this is 'cloth through strike' or something else?
    Thank you.

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  • willbrooks
    Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

    • Jan 2012
    • 9477

    #2
    Roller Lines: These are very thin parallel striations, often seen on both the obverse and reverse going in the same direction. Though sometimes blamed on improper alloy mixture, these thinner, more even lines are more likely from dirty or damaged rollers from the rolling mill when it was reducing the planchet stock to the correct thickness for coin production. More commonly seen in the late 70s and early 80s. Photo courtesy of jmangham.
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    • mindtab
      Member
      • Dec 2018
      • 553

      #3
      Excellent! thanks willbooks. I don't know how you guys remember all this stuff.

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      • Jdubbs
        Member
        • Dec 2018
        • 183

        #4
        I have a few like that, got some wood grain ones. Believe they are called "Woodies" correct?

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        • mindtab
          Member
          • Dec 2018
          • 553

          #5
          Jdubbs, I found some 'wood grain' ones, they are yellowish flat finish, and from what I've read, yah, they are called 'woodies'. I am a beginner, learning still.

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          • Jdubbs
            Member
            • Dec 2018
            • 183

            #6
            Originally posted by mindtab
            Jdubbs, I found some 'wood grain' ones, they are yellowish flat finish, and from what I've read, yah, they are called 'woodies'. I am a beginner, learning still.
            Me too, these fine folks here have are excellent at helping with that tho lol.

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            • mindtab
              Member
              • Dec 2018
              • 553

              #7
              Here-here, yes they are.

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              • jfines69
                Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 28848

                #8
                Nice find... Are there any on the rev??? Sometimes they are difficult to get pics of... All that I have seen in hand have the lines on both sides... They are called woodies even tho they are not created the same way... Here is the definition of woodie from our Glossary -

                Improper Alloy Mixture: During the copper alloy planchet era (pre-1982), there were instances of errors in the alloy mixture which resulted in planchets which show different ribbons of color in them, often resembling wood grain. These cents are often referred to as “wood-grain cents,” or “woodies.”


                Here is some info from Error Ref - http://www.error-ref.com/?s=woodie Hope that helps a bit!!!
                Jim
                (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                • jfines69
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 28848

                  #9
                  We are all learning still... Especially some of us old folk such as me
                  Jim
                  (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                  • GrumpyEd
                    Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 7229

                    #10
                    I would say the roller lines are not woodies. Woodies are not a surface only thing. It's in the alloy mix so it's not only on the surface.

                    Roller lines are similar but they are only on the surface.

                    Very similar looking but not the same thing.

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                    • willbrooks
                      Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                      • Jan 2012
                      • 9477

                      #11
                      Originally posted by GrumpyEd
                      I would say the roller lines are not woodies. Woodies are not a surface only thing. It's in the alloy mix so it's not only on the surface.

                      Roller lines are similar but they are only on the surface.

                      Very similar looking but not the same thing.
                      I dug out my roller lines example. I am going to confirm that the streaks are surface only by digging in. This is something provable, so I am going to do it.
                      All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.

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                      • jfines69
                        Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 28848

                        #12
                        Originally posted by willbrooks
                        I dug out my roller lines example. I am going to confirm that the streaks are surface only by digging in. This is something provable, so I am going to do it.
                        I did the same thing in like 2010??? Don't know if the pics are still on site??? I used wrights copper cream and removed the petina and visible dark lines close to a rim in the field over the rim and edge then on to the other side... There were grooves left on the coins surface in line with the remaining lines... On a few of the coins there were grooves on the rims and edges!!!
                        Jim
                        (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                        • willbrooks
                          Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                          • Jan 2012
                          • 9477

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jfines69
                          I did the same thing in like 2010??? Don't know if the pics are still on site??? I used wrights copper cream and removed the petina and visible dark lines close to a rim in the field over the rim and edge then on to the other side... There were grooves left on the coins surface in line with the remaining lines... On a few of the coins there were grooves on the rims and edges!!!
                          I was wondering if anyone tried it. I'll have to try o search for your pics.
                          All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.

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                          • jfines69
                            Member
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 28848

                            #14
                            Originally posted by willbrooks
                            I was wondering if anyone tried it. I'll have to try o search for your pics.
                            I haven't been able to find them... I need to go back thru my back ups... I have gone thru 4 or 5 computers since 2010... I will check thru my coins and hopefully I kept them!!!


                            Added - The only pics I have access to on the LCF go back to the 2014 DDO I found!!!


                            Added - 8 Feb. I am still hunting for the pics or coins!!!
                            Last edited by jfines69; 02-08-2019, 02:05 PM.
                            Jim
                            (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                            • Jdubbs
                              Member
                              • Dec 2018
                              • 183

                              #15
                              My Woodies

                              First couple that I found but I do have some more, are they more valuable in certain years?
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