[Example] 1972 DDOs 003 & 008 comparison

[jcuve]

I made an attempt to photograph several 1972 DDO die 003s and 008s to show similarities and differences. Both are a CW (weakest hubbing to strongest) Class I (rotated) Doubled Die Obverses.

Below are the results. The earlier die state examples I reckon are between EDS and EMDS and the later examples (shown in my second post) are LDS (though the 003 is could be closer LMDS) paired with EMDS.

These two DDOs are very similar. The biggest difference I identified was the degree of doubling shown on the date; followed by the BE and in LIBERTY; the N from IN; G from GOD; and the RS from TRUST.

Yes the die markers help, especially if you consider the gouges above the Ts remain until MDS on the 008, then disappear, whereas the 003 has a flood of additional markers from MDS through LDS. My suggestion is to examine the date, look for known markers and attribute accordingly.

[jcuve]

[coop]

I have more examples on the Photo gallery. Now I would like to get image of the 004 & 006 side by side.

[RWBILLER]

Oh boy do I need that! It seems everytime I say a 3 it's an 8 and visaversa!
Thanks again for the great tools. That reminds me, I will send that 1991p clash out tomorrow.
Rog

[jcuve]

I would like to have a side by side for the 002 and 007 - if I had an 004 I would try that along with an 005 and then 007.

[coop]

I've got images of the 007 and I need to retake images of the 002. That was already in my plans. Just haven't done that yet.

[onecent1909]

nice work..I didn't realize how close they look...
Thanks for the show and tell
onecent1909

[papascoins]

Thanks Coop and Jason!
What great work you fella's do for the Numismatic field and us pupils!

[coop]

nice work..I didn't realize how close they look...
Thanks for the show and tell
onecent1909

Now you see why the 003 & 008 are hard to tell. Now with these images it helps having them side by side.

[WaterSport]

Nicely Done!! Thanks for your efforts.

WS

[jbird01]

Great work. I was once confused, now, well just less confused. Thanks!

[jfines69]

Awesome pics... It is probably my eyes but the "72" of DDO-003 looks like there are two notches on each just south of the notches you pointed out???

[buckslayer]

That is very helpful. I have a handfull of 1972 DDO's that I can't match any markers on. When I try to figure them out I always end up frustrated and never get anywhere. I'll have to pull them out and try again. Thanks.

[jcuve]

Below are some key markers found on 003 and 008. Being that both can be found in bank rolls in circulated condition, one will need to be diligent in an examination of die markers.

EDS whole date views:

EDS sees only the diagonal scratches above the 1 in the date and the E in LIBERTY. As seen above and below, the 72 shows a wider spread on die 008. Both dies 003 & 008 in EDS-EMDS show curved scratches around the perimeter of the die face. Most, if not all, early '70s Lincoln cents show such scratches, but fade by MDS. They are distinctive and die specific.

Around EMDS/MDS there were several deep scratches on the obverse of die 003, these scratches remain until LDS and are often the critical die markers needed for identification, in particular the set through GOD. Die 008 from EDS-LMDS has a gouge above each T in TRUST.

At MDS the die 003 dies were polished after a die clash. These scratches are throughout the fields, many are strong and distinctive through the the date. The strongest of which last until LDS. Die 008 does not seem to have ever had the dies polished, they just age and the doubling becomes mushier. The gouges slowly fade above the Ts in TRUST.

[coop]

I've always enjoyed comparing the tails of the S on TRUST on the 003 & 008. The first thing I look at for the ID between the two dies for me.