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What makes a "Discovery Piece". Point in fact is ANACS' designation of the particular 2011 1C CDDO-003/WDDO-002B illustrated on Wexler's News page as the discovery piece. I believe this is the 2011P 1DO 004 on CC. I was the first one to post a picture of this coin and discovery of it on this site. Prior to my posting, Billy Crawford posted a notice that he was waiting for a coin in the mail from a collector that would be the BIG ONE for this date and when he saw my posting he confirmed that that was the one he was waiting on. No one can know who (other than Billie's client or I) might have discovered this coin before our postings. So what are the criteria applied by ANACS and others to make this determination and place the legend on their/its slab? I'm not jockeying for my piece being the discovery piece but I think it is as much one as Crawford's client's and neither one can say that someone else did not find it first.
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I cannot wait to see this conversation!
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Hopefully Wayne or Brad will chime in here but I thought this was helpful,Originally posted by Wayne
as far as slabbing as such I am in the dark as whether that comes from an attribution letter or is sent to the grader from the attributor etcComment
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We had a discussion a while back on this...apparently the first one sent to each different attributer qualifies as the "Discovery Piece"...which makes that attribute worthless in my book.Comment
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Recently, ANACS has been using "First Reported" when accompanied by a letter from an accepted expert attributer. For some die varieties, I know as many as 3 different people (the '56-D/S) who claim to have discovered it....
When a specific coin is used in a book or on coppercoins, it can also be labeled as "Plate Coin" by ANACS. Some people like to collect "discovery" pieces, it's fun to have for a major variety, but in the case of the 2011 DDO, that may be a tough issue to prove.
Rollem- I might try printing out a copy of that thread and including it with the exact coin you posted if you plan on sending it into ANACS. But with what's been said, it's conceivable that there could be more than one coin labeled as such by ANACS. Interesting...[B][FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium][SIZE=2]Chris & Charity Welch- [COLOR=red]LIVEAN[/COLOR][COLOR=black]DIE[/COLOR][COLOR=blue]VARIETIES[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]
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my understanding is...
if ANACS uses Wexler's files...then the first coin submitted to Wexler would be Wexler's discovery piece...
and by default ANACS discovery piece....EXAMPLE.....
I found a New Mexico DDR... showed it to B.J. Neff at the winter FUN show...he took a pic and put it on the CONECA web form... saw by Dr Wiles.. asked to be examined...sent to him were he listed it in CONECA's files as NM DDR die 2 found by John H Miller Jr...as ICG uses CONECA files I could get my coin listed as a discovery piece... If someone else sent the same die to Wexler and he listed it in his files... they could send to ANACS and have listed as discovery piece... if another one was sent to cherry pickers..."and it was listed in their book" it could be sent to ANACS, NGC, PCGS, anybody using Cherry Pickers as the discovery piece...even though I sent it in YEARS ago
link to my ddr
Last edited by onecent1909; 03-13-2012, 05:43 PM.Member: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin ClubComment
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To further complicate matters, ANACS also encapsulated 2011 1C DDR-001/WDDR-001 (also on Wexler's page). This coin was, indeed, first reported by Crawford and found by him (as he stated). Why would this not be given the discovery lable? You think for a minute that Billie did not ask for it?Comment
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This question/statement has been discussed many times, but it always bears repeating. As folks have already mentioned, the 'Discovery Coin' label is for a particular file system. Any time I list a die for the first time on coppercoins, it is the coppercoins discovery coin. The letter I send back to the submitter can be used to have the designation put on a slab...but ONLY if the coppercoins number is used.
Until recently, coppercoins was pretty much the only one who gave public access to ALL its die listings. Once I put a die in the files, I had no way of knowing if CONECA had one, if Wexler had one, or if Crawford had one. It is still real difficult to get that info today.
If you think the 'Discovery coin' designation is lame..then don't use it. If you think that because there may be three different discovery coins for three different filing systems, and you think that it degrades the status of it, then pain and simple...don't worry about it. Some people like having the notoriety, but then again, unless the coin is extremely rare, who is going to remember who discovered it a year from now?Bob Piazza
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again ... ANACS uses wexlers files....2011 1c ddr-001/WDDR-001 is wexlers numbering system.... billy may have found it , reported it, listed, and showed it off first...BUT ...ANACS will list it as WDDR-001 not using crawfords filing system.... I could show you a coin die NOone has seen...Maineman750 can send the same die to wexler who then lists it and sends it to ANACS... discovery peice using Wexlers file system....if there are 1000 coins made by a die... and 100 show up in collectors hands ...and 9 are sent to various atributers....on the same day.... but 1 is sent to coinworld after calling 2 days earlier.... gets to the cw office the day after the internet listing....who gets top billing?...the one sent to Wexler? Crawford? LCR? Coinworld?Ken Potter? cherry pickers? numismatic news?Coneca? nicadd? Joe average? or me?... all in what 3rd party grading ... and who they will take attribution from....who would you use?....John Miller... or Wexler?...I go with Wexler..not meMember: Florida State representative for the ANA, Florida state representative for CONECA, F.U.N. and the Ocala Coin ClubComment
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First Reported makes a whole lot more sense than Discovery Piece. And in the end, while it is cool to be the first to identify a particular variety, it just isn't worth getting worked up about.Last edited by jcuve; 03-13-2012, 06:34 PM.
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First Reported with a date would make even more sense.Comment
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