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  • coppercoins
    Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
    • Dec 2008
    • 2482

    #1

    coppercoins attribution - you weigh in...

    An idea that I have been toying around with for years came to light in a different thread, and I would like to get your take on whether or not this would be something the majority of people would take advantage of...

    Currently our attribution fee - per coin - is $4. Don't worry, we do not foresee this going up any time soon.

    Just so you understand the time put into your coins when you send them: What we do during attribution is look at the coin and compare it to existing listings to see if there is a match. This generally takes an average of 15 minutes per coin. If the coin does match a listed die but is of a different die state, or if it does not match existing die listings at all, we take images of the coin and list it on the website. This takes another 20-30 minutes per coin, usually. When we attribute coins we also usually fill out a flip insert with the proper die number on the insert, and if the flip needs to be replaced, we do that too. Then we turn around and write a letter on coppercoins letterhead to the submitter letting them know our findings. This can take from ten minutes to a half hour depending on the number of coins on which we are reporting. A package of 10 coins generally takes four to six hours of our time. Honestly, we do this service for far less than minimum wage - believe it.

    That aside, now to the real subject of this post...

    I am considering designing a nice printed label that would be used on a flip insert - at an extra charge - that would include the die number and other details. We would then seal the flip (new flip we would provide) - so collectors, sellers, and buyers would know the exact coins we handled as attributers. This is a bit of a departure from the "certification service" we considered for a while last year, but not too far away from it.

    Attribution, per coin, is $4 as stated before. I believe we could do this "enhanced attribution service" for another $2.00 per coin. The coin would still go through the same attribution, but the flip would be sealed, and there would be a bar code (and legible serial number of the same) on the insert that will eventually come into play with "MyCoppercoins" when it opens - probably in the Spring next year. Even the enhanced service is no more expensive than other attributers' regular service, and there's no electronic record of their attributions.

    Once MyCoppercoins is going strong, collectors will be able to look up coins that have been attributed using the "enhanced" service by entering a serial number (found on the flip insert) into a screen on the website. They will be able to see details about the coin that are not on the flip, and whether the coin was used as a plate coin for the site.


    The cost of doing this service would basically be a wash for us, because I would have to order custom labels (and keep ordering them), a heavy duty heat sealer (the cheap ones would only prove to be temporary), and a color laser printer (to print the labels), along with the programming (20 hours worth) and database storage (up to a gig) of all the coins treated to this service. So really, the question is not about how much the added service costs - it's as cheap as it's going to get.

    So what do you think? Would you USE the service IF we provided it? Right now this is just a thought, so don't start packing coins to send just yet. EVEN IF we do decide to do this, it wouldn't "happen" until close to the end of the year.
    Last edited by coppercoins; 08-14-2013, 06:16 AM.
    Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
    [URL="http://www.coppercoins.com/"]http://www.coppercoins.com[/URL]
  • grizz
    Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 154

    #2
    absolutely! sounds like quite a bargain all the way around!!

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    • Roller
      Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 6975

      #3
      I would use the service. I would like to have grading included though (even if its another buck on top).

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      • coppercoins
        Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
        • Dec 2008
        • 2482

        #4
        Originally posted by Roller
        I would use the service. I would like to have grading included though (even if its another buck on top).
        Grading will be available with the service - only thing is that we have to make sure all involved at this end are on the same page with regard to that subject first.
        Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
        [URL="http://www.coppercoins.com/"]http://www.coppercoins.com[/URL]

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        • Maineman750
          Administrator

          • Apr 2011
          • 12079

          #5
          From my point of view,it would be a service I would use only for hard to attribute,valuable coins..and plate coins.
          https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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          • Roller
            Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 6975

            #6
            Originally posted by Maineman750
            From my point of view,it would be a service I would use only for hard to attribute,valuable coins..and plate coins.
            That is the meaning for my response as well. Although I would include coins that I am selling that I feel would benefit from a statement regarding opinion of grade.

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            • coppercoins
              Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
              • Dec 2008
              • 2482

              #7
              My general thought steers mainly in the direction of collectors more willing to buy coins that are in some form "officially certified" by an authority and done in a way that is more or less tamper evident. So yes, I agree that many will only bother taking advantage of the service with better or harder to identify material they plan to resell.

              However...

              When time comes that coppercoins also has programming in place (this is in the distant future planning) where collectors can enter their coins and participate in the registry on the website, they will have to have coins that are certified with a coppercoins serial number. For those wishing to participate, they would probably want to steer to only buying or trading for die varieties that do have the certification accompanying the coin.

              I will probably consider doing a "bulk submission" type price where an inexpensive "per-coin" price can be reached on multiple roll-find bulk submissions of a number of like coins. Perhaps subtract the attribution fee on submitted multiples, bringing the "per-coin" cost down to a couple of dollars per coin.

              There will also be a number of cases where we will be giving away free enhanced attributions for site participation and other promotional reasons. We will probably also provide the service in exchange for coins - so if you find ten of something, we might be willing to take five of them and do the other five for you in trade. So, to an effect, there will not always be a cash out of pocket cost involved.

              This idea feeds back on the "protection of the hobby" discussion. It helps people have some form of certification on their coins for a much lower cost than the TPG services, and it comes directly from the people who manage the die system. It also helps buyers know they are getting what the seller states. It also helps collectors to properly record their collection. And it comes at a cost that is not measurably more than the cost of providing the service.

              Of course a lot of details would have to be hammered out, designed, code done, supplies ordered, etc., before we could come up with a final fee for the service that keeps us from losing money...but once I do have everything in place, if it turns out to happen, I will do what I can to put certified examples of die varieties into the hands of collectors at a fee everyone can swallow.
              Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
              [URL="http://www.coppercoins.com/"]http://www.coppercoins.com[/URL]

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              • WaterSport
                Paid Member

                • Nov 2010
                • 3292

                #8
                I would use this service !!Looks like baby steps to something bigger...I like it!

                WS

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                • Historyhound
                  Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 432

                  #9
                  I'd definately use it, for sure.

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                  • ray_parkhurst
                    Paid Member

                    • Dec 2011
                    • 1855

                    #10
                    Chuck...honestly, I've just been patiently waiting for this service to be offered. I have quite a few coins I'd send in, for various reasons:

                    - Verification of attribution for coins I have multiples of, sort of like a reference coin
                    - Potential new listings of varieties I haven't seen listed yet
                    - Multiples of stronger varieties I would want to sell
                    - etc

                    I don't slab my coins, but this is a sort of quasi-slab service that I find very intriguing.

                    What sort of flip would they be sealed in?

                    Ray
                    Builder of Custom Coin Photography Setups. PM me with your needs or visit http://macrocoins.com

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                    • coppercoins
                      Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 2482

                      #11
                      Ray - They would be sealed in archival safe flips using a heat sealer. I am researching possibilities for making them "tamper evident" by either having a custom seal bar made, or by notching the flip insert so the seal goes through the flip insert, which will sport a custom hologram. I will be doing this in a way that looks professional, works well, and will make a nice "set" for anyone who collects coins in these holders.
                      Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
                      [URL="http://www.coppercoins.com/"]http://www.coppercoins.com[/URL]

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                      • coppy

                        #12
                        From a seller's point of view it appears to be very much worth it.
                        I'm all in for this added service.

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                        • simonm
                          Member
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 6398

                          #13
                          I rarely sell die varieties anymore as I am more into studying them, but I can see this as a very good service for those that do sell. I really like the idea and am looking forward to the progress made toward its fruition.
                          My old coin album.

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                          • ray_parkhurst
                            Paid Member

                            • Dec 2011
                            • 1855

                            #14
                            Since I mainly search BU rolls for varieties, I often find multiples, making the bulk submission idea very appealing. Finding multiples means I can pick the ones I want to keep and sell the rest, and having a trustworthy certification should make that easier...Ray
                            Builder of Custom Coin Photography Setups. PM me with your needs or visit http://macrocoins.com

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                            • coppercoins
                              Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 2482

                              #15
                              Simon - This service isn't just for sellers. It could work out that there may eventually be a sight-unseen market for coins in these holders, because the die attribution is guaranteed and the grading will be consistent. It could effectively become a very inexpensive alternative to slabs - and one of very few choices for people who want their collection to 'match' across the board. Plus, it will still fit in 20 pocket pages and binders. This is a collector's service too.
                              Charles D. Daughtrey, NLG, Author, "Looking Through Lincoln Cents"
                              [URL="http://www.coppercoins.com/"]http://www.coppercoins.com[/URL]

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