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  • makecents
    Paid Member

    • Jun 2017
    • 11038

    #61
    Originally posted by Edthelorax
    Does anyone have a list or table with all the dates of any Us type coins? Before 1950 will be fine.
    Like all the wheat dates or Morgans that they can send me?
    I want to be able to search a date and see any counterfeits that there are images of.
    TIA
    Ed
    (https://www.usacoinbook.com/) Just go to the left side and click on what denomination you want.

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    • makecents
      Paid Member

      • Jun 2017
      • 11038

      #62
      Originally posted by Edthelorax
      Does anyone have a list or table with all the dates of any Us type coins? Before 1950 will be fine.
      Like all the wheat dates or Morgans that they can send me?
      I want to be able to search a date and see any counterfeits that there are images of.
      TIA
      Ed
      Sorry, I may have misunderstood what you were looking for. If you want a list of all counterfeits, the only thing I can help with are the privately made Morgans. (http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.co...Made_Varieties)

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      • Bri
        Member
        • May 2010
        • 509

        #63
        Have you thought about reporting such repeat violations and others to the FBI? The FBI MAY be able to help the numismatic community with this mainly for a couple of reasons; First, knowingly selling a counterfeit coin (which is fraud due to INTENT), the perpetrators THEN have to ship the coin to the buyer by some means. Usually by the United States Postal Service. SHIPPING a coin or other items used to knowingly defraud someone becomes a federal crime within itself. It is THIS part of the transaction that may raise the right agent's eyebrows and perhaps put an investigation into action. Secondly, given the fact that eBay has had many complaints regarding this issue, may actually further increase FBI interest to investigate. In hindsight, knowing that eBay is such a large company could be just enough motivation for an FBI agent to look into this matter to begin with. Why not try? You have tried everything else to no avail. I, for one, and I am sure that I speak for many, would love to see justice served concerning this matter. Just a thought.
        Last edited by Bri; 04-16-2020, 03:38 AM. Reason: Hindsights
        Bri

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        • jfines69
          Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 28848

          #64
          Originally posted by Bri
          Have you thought about reporting such repeat violations and others to the FBI? The FBI MAY be able to help the numismatic community with this mainly for a couple of reasons; First, knowingly selling a counterfeit coin (which is fraud due to INTENT), the perpetrators THEN have to ship the coin to the buyer by some means. Usually by the United States Postal Service. SHIPPING a coin or other items used to knowingly defraud someone becomes a federal crime within itself. It is THIS part of the transaction that may raise the right agent's eyebrows and perhaps put an investigation into action. Secondly, given the fact that eBay has had many complaints regarding this issue, may actually further increase FBI interest to investigate. In hindsight, knowing that eBay is such a large company could be just enough motivation for an FBI agent to look into this matter to begin with. Why not try? You have tried everything else to no avail. I, for one, and I am sure that I speak for many, would love to see justice served concerning this matter. Just a thought.
          Secret Service would also get into the mix but don't tell anyone it's a Secret
          Jim
          (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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          • GrumpyEd
            Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 7229

            #65
            I doubt the feds get involved.
            A fake or altered cent to trick a collector or using the USPS to send it is fraud but they're out getting outfits making fake $20-50-100s for commerce. USPS is more likely to help if it was an ongoing thing but I doubt they put effort into every one of a kind rip off.

            They'll probably laugh it off, "this guy bought a penny for $500 and is complaining it's not the one he wanted"

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            • GrumpyEd
              Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 7229

              #66
              Originally posted by jfines69
              Secret Service would also get into the mix but don't tell anyone it's a Secret
              The only times I remember hearing of the feds getting involved with cents, they confiscated the real 1969-S DDOs saying they were fake and they said the 1959 wheat cent was real but the TPGs say it's fake.

              Probably better off without their help

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              • david1513
                Member
                • Feb 2022
                • 12

                #67
                Nicest, most well done counterfeit 55 DDO I’ve ever seen. Even the lapel is doubled. But see the degree of separation on the motto IGWT, especially the O in GOD. Caught this one the other day, notified seller and he agreed and promptly removed the listing. First pic is genuine certified PCGS coin, last 2 are the counterfeit
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                • willbrooks
                  Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                  • Jan 2012
                  • 9477

                  #68
                  Originally posted by david1513
                  Nicest, most well done counterfeit 55 DDO I’ve ever seen. Even the lapel is doubled. But see the degree of separation on the motto IGWT, especially the O in GOD. Caught this one the other day, notified seller and he agreed and promptly removed the listing. First pic is genuine certified PCGS coin, last 2 are the counterfeit
                  Welcome to the forum. Wow, that's a horribly obvious fake. A lot of work for a terrible result.
                  All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.

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                  • david1513
                    Member
                    • Feb 2022
                    • 12

                    #69
                    Thank you Will. Here are three other examples that I come across frequently. The one that I originally posted is much much nicer and more deceptive. The last pic is also in a counterfeit PCGS holder

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                    • david1513
                      Member
                      • Feb 2022
                      • 12

                      #70
                      Thank you Will. Here are three other examples that I come across frequently. The one that I originally posted is much much nicer and more deceptive. The last pic is also in a counterfeit PCGS holder
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                      • willbrooks
                        Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                        • Jan 2012
                        • 9477

                        #71
                        Lol. I've seen that one in the middle posted before. Looks like play money.
                        But you make a good reminder. Always look up slabbed coins on their respective sites, and compare images. Buyer beware.
                        All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.

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                        • Maineman750
                          Administrator

                          • Apr 2011
                          • 12079

                          #72
                          The latest post reminded me we had this thread. Here's a 1914_D that was in a Type Set I bought on eBay years ago....I only bid based on the silver because I knew it was too good to be true. The mm location gives this one away even without close ups....it does weigh 3.0 grams
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                          https://www.ebay.com/sch/maineman750...75.m3561.l2562

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                          • DoubleYou
                            Member
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 3629

                            #73
                            Here's some closeups of a counterfeit proof quarter (1952 IIRC) that I bought off eBay some time last year. It was included in a proof set in a typical Capital Plastics holder. All the other coins (including the half, the most valuable coin) were real. I returned the set for a refund, and sent the seller pictures, pointing out it was counterfeit. It had the wrong reverse design for a proof quarter too. I think the biggest key to spotting fakes is knowing what a real coin looks like. I doubt most people would have realized this coin was a fake.




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                            Last edited by DoubleYou; 02-15-2022, 06:27 PM.
                            Wendell Carper
                            It's a bird! It's a plane! Aw nuts... It's merely two die scratches!

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                            • david1513
                              Member
                              • Feb 2022
                              • 12

                              #74
                              Sort of looks like a highly polished business strike ��

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                              • kloccwork419
                                Banned
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 6800

                                #75
                                Looks that way to me too. Doesn’t look like a proof at all. Just polished

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