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It looks like at least the anomaly present SW in the rim (obverse), from Liberty to the left corner of the bust is a rim cud. The reason for that assertion is that I just found a similar coin and was going to ask the same question when I saw your post. You did it first though. It will help if you can post zoomed in pictures of that area for comparison, so we can be sure they were both stroke by the same die.
It looks like at least the anomaly present SW in the rim (obverse), from Liberty to the left corner of the bust is a rim cud. The reason for that assertion is that I just found a similar coin and was going to ask the same question when I saw your post. You did it first though. It will help if you can post zoomed in pictures of that area for comparison, so we can be sure they were both stroke by the same die.
Here are the pics of the coin I found for comparison:
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Hard to tell, too much zoom; but it could be the same. Can you post a pic of about the same size and orientation as this one?
Thanks Mon Aug 13 22-57-45.jpg
I think they are multiple pics of the same coin in different lighting.
Looks like they are... I'll love to see a pic of the third quadrant similar to the one I posted to be sure its the same die or the same hub. Parts of the anomaly are incuse and there is not bulging at least in that area, making the hub die a suspect, I think.
Looks like they are... I'll love to see a pic of the third quadrant similar to the one I posted to be sure its the same die or the same hub. Parts of the anomaly are incuse and there is not bulging at least in that area, making the hub die a suspect, I think.
I understood wrong, I thought you meant the 2 pics at the top in this post, that's what I meant that these are the same.
LOL, now that I understand...
I see what you mean, it's similar.
That sort of thing can progress so even the same die may not look the same, would be nice if there's any cracks or good markers.
LOL, now that I understand...
I see what you mean, it's similar.
That sort of thing can progress so even the same die may not look the same, would be nice if there's any cracks or good markers.
Yes, that's right, they are similar. I was like: Oh yeah, do we have teleportation already available...?
I'm waiting to see if he posts the pic to make the comparison and try to find other die markers.
Thanks
Yes, that's right, they are similar. I was like: Oh yeah, do we have teleportation already available...?
I'm waiting to see if he posts the pic to make the comparison and try to find other die markers.
Thanks
Coin5,pic you asked for is the last pic in the original post.
Well when comparing both pictures it looks like it's different ages of the same problem. I have no doubt the anomalies were caused by the same problem. They are too similar to be a random coincidence and the chances that 2 different problems caused such a similar result are almost nonexistent. It looks to me, it all can be traced back to a Rim Cud in the Hub Die as there are no bumps or raised parts in the anomaly (in any of the 2 coins) and there are some incuse crack lines (on both coins). If the origin was the working die, then the anomaly will be raised and it isn't. Still, the working die that stroke your coin could be different than the one that stroke mine; but that I don't know.
I haven't check the rest of your coin and mine for similarities as the one described here is the most visible and important I guess.
Since there are 2 coins with the same problem, the only way for that to happen is something that happen at the mint pre-strike and no PSD. There should be others.
As you know I'm a newbie and the only reason for my presence in your thread is that by chance, I noticed the similarities of both coins, otherwise I wouldn't be here other than perhaps reading. That's why I (and probably you) would like to see what the real experts in the forum would say about the problem present in your coin.
Hope my intervention helps you a bit, at least you know now, there are other coins in circulation with the same problem as yours.
Thanks for the follow up.
Well when comparing both pictures it looks like it's different ages of the same problem. I have no doubt the anomalies were caused by the same problem. They are too similar to be a random coincidence and the chances that 2 different problems caused such a similar result are almost nonexistent. It looks to me, it all can be traced back to a Rim Cud in the Hub Die as there are no bumps or raised parts in the anomaly (in any of the 2 coins) and there are some incuse crack lines (on both coins). If the origin was the working die, then the anomaly will be raised and it isn't. Still, the working die that stroke your coin could be different than the one that stroke mine; but that I don't know.
I haven't check the rest of your coin and mine for similarities as the one described here is the most visible and important I guess.
Since there are 2 coins with the same problem, the only way for that to happen is something that happen at the mint pre-strike and no PSD. There should be others.
As you know I'm a newbie and the only reason for my presence in your thread is that by chance, I noticed the similarities of both coins, otherwise I wouldn't be here other than perhaps reading. That's why I (and probably you) would like to see what the real experts in the forum would say about the problem present in your coin.
Hope my intervention helps you a bit, at least you know now, there are other coins in circulation with the same problem as yours.
Thanks for the follow up.
Thanks for your input coin5. Welcome aboard the LCR train.Happy hunting...………………………..Ken.
One contributor might have been that they changed to zinc in mid 82, 83 and the next few years had all sorts of problems partly because of the change. Zinc is harder and more brittle than copper so the dies had things like all those reverse cracks from the building corners and the ridge rings on the obv. It may also have helped cause things like this. I'm sure they did some tweaking in the setups, pressure and maybe metallurgy of the dies and they didn't really get things going well until into the 90s.
Cool looking coins... To me they do not look to be cuds... There appears to be separations along the edges... I think it is all displaced metal from circ wear... The metal has been pushed up from the edges and over the rim area??? I do not think they are the same die??? If they were the same die Kens would be an earlier die stage than Adrians... Kens ridge ring is not as developed as Adrians most notable along IN GOD WE... Portions of the letters tops are missing on Adrians compared to Kens... Also Adrians coin in that area appears more concave... On the east and south east edges of the coins if those were cuds Adrians coin edge/rim would would show the cuds but do not... Hope that helps!!!
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