1951 Lincoln Cent- Re-engraved vs Normal Bangs

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  • ray_parkhurst
    Paid Member

    • Dec 2011
    • 1855

    #31
    Originally posted by jfines69
    Could the high relief be from a reworked proof die??? There was a link to an article of a proof struck on aluminum and it is high relief!!!
    It could be, but are proof dies different from business strike other than in the way they are polished? I think they still use the same master hub, don't they? I am actually not sure about practices at this time.
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    • jfines69
      Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 28848

      #32
      Originally posted by ray_parkhurst
      It could be, but are proof dies different from business strike other than in the way they are polished? I think they still use the same master hub, don't they? I am actually not sure about practices at this time.
      You got me on that... I have no idea about the practices at that time either... I would think the masters were the same???
      Jim
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      • willbrooks
        Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

        • Jan 2012
        • 9477

        #33
        Handed this one off to Mike D. It will be the subject of one of his upcoming clearinghouse columns. Good discovery, Cliff.
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        • VAB2013
          Forum Ambassador
          • Nov 2013
          • 12351

          #34
          Originally posted by willbrooks
          Handed this one off to Mike D. It will be the subject of one of his upcoming clearinghouse columns. Good discovery, Cliff.
          Way to go Cliff! Congrats on your discovery and the upcoming article by Mike Diamond! Thank you for the update Will!
          Last edited by VAB2013; 09-06-2019, 08:07 PM.

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          • makecents
            Paid Member

            • Jun 2017
            • 11038

            #35
            Very cool Cliff, congrats!!

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            • GrumpyEd
              Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 7229

              #36
              LOL, like Will said in the other post those workers do random things and we are left to wonder why they decided "we need to fix his hair".

              It reminds me of the accented hair Kennedy halves, at least there is a story to explain them.
              I forget the details but it was something like after he died they quickly made the half dollar with him. Either his wife complained about the hair or they thought she would not like it when they gave her a presentation piece (I forget which) so they fixed it. That made the accented hair Kennedy halves but they only fixed it on some proof dies.

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              • Petespockets55
                Paid Member

                • Dec 2014
                • 6890

                #37
                Thanks for the congrats everyone but the real thanks goes to Will for his interest and Mike for taking the baton and running with it.

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                • willbrooks
                  Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                  • Jan 2012
                  • 9477

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Petespockets55
                  Thanks for the congrats everyone but the real thanks goes to Will for his interest and Mike for taking the baton and running with it.
                  And Ray for doing all of the real work.
                  All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.

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                  • Petespockets55
                    Paid Member

                    • Dec 2014
                    • 6890

                    #39
                    Originally posted by willbrooks
                    And Ray for doing all of the real work.
                    Thanks for including Ray in the thanks because his images help to visualize and differentiate the dies.

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                    • jallengomez
                      Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 4447

                      #40
                      Last night I discovered this 1971S proof that also exhibits some enhancements, but these are raised and therefore the same type of engraving, but on a die rather than a hub.

                      1971S PR Reengraved hub.jpg
                      Last edited by jallengomez; 09-08-2019, 07:30 AM.
                      “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

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                      • willbrooks
                        Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                        • Jan 2012
                        • 9477

                        #41
                        Originally posted by jallengomez
                        Last night I discovered this 1971S proof that also exhibits some enhancements, but these are raised and therefore the same type of engraving, but on a die rather than a hub.

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                        Incredible that they did the same kind of engraving on both hubs and dies. Fascinating discovery, Jody.
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                        • mikediamond
                          Paid Member, Error Expert

                          • Jan 2008
                          • 1104

                          #42
                          I'll be adding this to my column.

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                          • ray_parkhurst
                            Paid Member

                            • Dec 2011
                            • 1855

                            #43
                            Looks like they polished the die until Abe was clean shaven, and needed to add back at least a bit of stubble.
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                            • ray_parkhurst
                              Paid Member

                              • Dec 2011
                              • 1855

                              #44
                              Originally posted by mikediamond
                              I'll be adding this to my column.
                              I remember someone posting a 1972 business strike with similar enhancement. Anyone remember where that is or who posted?
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                              • jallengomez
                                Member
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 4447

                                #45
                                Originally posted by ray_parkhurst
                                I remember someone posting a 1972 business strike with similar enhancement. Anyone remember where that is or who posted?
                                Ray, I posted it earlier in this thread.
                                “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

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