Making the 1970 S S.D.

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  • uglycent
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 1386
    #1

    Making the 1970 S S.D.

    I was looking at some small dates on Ebay and the ones I own. They all have the weak details and often heavy polishing lines. Were these possibly re engraved of alternate digit punches cleaned up the weak date? With the die made in Philly, They wouldn't necessarily have engraving tools there at that time. Just an observation and always wondered how this variety came about and only at San Francisco.
    Even a fool can look wise if he keeps his mouth closed.
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    • willbrooks
      Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

      • Jan 2012
      • 9477
      #2
      Great question. I studied this and believe I know the answer. I'd share it with you, but I wouldn't want George to think I'm being narcissistic.
      All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.

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        • kloccwork419
          Banned
          • Sep 2008
          • 6800
          #3
          Thats so narcissistic of you Will. Lol

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            • willbrooks
              Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

              • Jan 2012
              • 9477
              #4
              Damn, I'm handsome.
              All opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by willbrooks or his affiliates. Taking them may result in serious side effects. Results may vary. Offer not valid in New Jersey.

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                • Roller
                  Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 6975
                  #5
                  Originally posted by willbrooks
                  Great question. I studied this and believe I know the answer. I'd share it with you, but I wouldn't want George to think I'm being narcissistic.
                  Knowledge should be shared freely, Will. I'm not jealous of your superior knowledge and perseverance in this field. I, actually, celebrate it. Let it rip.

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                    • uglycent
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 1386
                      #6
                      Thanks guys, Trashing my thread. I wanted a serious discussion. Not your personal BS. Will, we know your handsome, And George, you are very sharp.
                      Even a fool can look wise if he keeps his mouth closed.

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                        • makecents
                          Paid Member

                          • Jun 2017
                          • 11038
                          #7
                          Anthony, I would like to know what you or others find out about this, it's a very cool variety. LCR shows it better than any other site I've found though.

                          Link (http://www.lincolncentresource.com/s...smalldate.html)

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                            • DoubleYou
                              Member
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 3629
                              #8
                              To quote John Wexler from his awesome Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents (2nd Edition)
                              Originally posted by John Wexler
                              In the beginning of 1970, two different master dies were produced from two different master hubs. The first master die has the characteristics of a smaller date and a mushy LIBERTY and is known as a 1970 SMALL DATE. The second has a larger date and bold, distinct LIBERTY and is known as a 1970 LARGE DATE. Both SMALL and LARGE date working hubs were used to make working dies in 1970. Coins struck from Small Date working dies are much rarer, especially in proof, and command a large premium. One proof working die was hubbed with both a Small and Large date working hub.
                              The class III doubled die he mention is DDO-003, which is listed in the CPG as FS-102. http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20D...970SDDO003.htm

                              My guess is that since San Francisco is furthest away, they made all the Small Date dies first, which happened to go to San Francisco.
                              Last edited by DoubleYou; 01-29-2021, 04:46 PM.
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                              It's a bird! It's a plane! Aw nuts... It's merely two die scratches!

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                                • uglycent
                                  Member
                                  • Mar 2009
                                  • 1386
                                  #9
                                  Thanks guys. Maybe some are just board and messing up the show for everyone. I have been around for a while and get it, Personal jokes's get out of hand. I hope our behavior has not chased any newbe's away.
                                  Even a fool can look wise if he keeps his mouth closed.

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