Error Die Crack | A Roll Of 59's Unopened Until Resently

[TJ1952]

For your viewing pleasure. So I had this roll of unopened BU 59's for years. I don't ever remember buying it, but I'm sure I paid to much! I only recently decided to open it and go thru them in detail. I found a couple of things (probably minor) I wanted to run past you for your opinion.



I found these three different coins with the same hit/cut or break in the same area.




This next coin/date looks normal to me.


Check out these next pictures. It might be hard to see. I had trouble getting the light and focus correct. The first 9 in the date does not stand as proud as a normal 9. The top area of the 9 looks flat to me or if it might have been slightly greased filled. It seems to be minor but not sure if it could be a different/new variety. I checked: http://www.lincolncentresource.com/index.html but couldn't find anything. Here are two pictures of the same coin.



Here's another from the same roll. It has a very slight peel/lamination. I think it took a hit.





I have a open door policy. Any comments, opinions or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[mustbebob]

Your first few photos show die scratches associated with the mint attempting to remove things such as clash marks. The photos where the '9' looks different can come from many factors including the grease filled as you suggested, machine damage or some other common problems. The anomaly between WE and TRUST seems to be a copper flake or small lamination peel. All of these anomalies are very common. The face that you have uncirculated 1959 cents is probably the best thing you have here. Not bad for 57 year old cents, but they are common also, especially being a first year design change. Many were saved for this reason.

[jfines69]

You also have some MD on the first 3 coins... They appear to to have differing degrees of MD and are from the same die...The first date pic has some MD on the 2nd 9 also... The next 2 date pics have some MD also... The 4 date pic the 1st 9 appears to have taken a hit... Those 3 coins appear to be from the same die also... The die abrasions appear to match... The coin with the piece of metal appears to have taken a hit at the rim causing the metal to pop up... Can't tell if it is a lamination or extraneous metal... Shiney coins are not easy to get pics of

[WxMan]

If I had a shiny roll of 59's I'd check for the two DDO's.
FS-01-1959-101 and FS-01-1959-104.

[TJ1952]

I didn't think of die scratches. Between the hits and machine doubling, I guess I have a mixed bag of anomalies.

Thanks to both of you for your feedback and confirming my thoughts!

[TJ1952]

If I had a shiny roll of 59's I'd check for the two DDO's.
FS-01-1959-101 and FS-01-1959-104.

Oh, thanks for that! Where would I go for a picture of those? The Cherrypickers book? If so, I don't have one of those.

I found this but it doesn't show pictures. http://varietyvista.com/Variety%20Ma...1960.htm#_1959

[Maineman750]

Oh, thanks for that! Where would I go for a picture of those? The Cherrypickers book? If so, I don't have one of those.

Google is a wonderful thing...here is one result http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/37956

[willbrooks]

I agree that the first 9 on that coin is not "normal," and is likely the result of a partially filled die, especially if it came out of an obw. (That would pretty much rule out a uniform hit across the digit.) On a side note, just for education purposes, the top curl of the 2nd 9 is "normally" thinner than the top curl of the 1st 9, and tails off more sharply in an easterly direction. This is normal for the date. The 2nd 9 was engraved and the engraved digits never exactly match the digits that were put on the master hub by the janvier reduction lathe.

[TJ1952]

Google is a wonderful thing...here is one result http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/37956

Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, I found that link. From where I sit those pictures just aren't helping me very much. I need closer pictures w/details. I can barely see the Double Die on the Obv. I still don't really know what I'm looking for or at. PCGS says 1959 1C DDO FS-104 (FS-022.3), RD (Regular Strike) but unless I'm missing it, I just don't see a detailed explanation of this variety. I need a translation key to tell me what all these numbers and letters mean. I take it FS stands for Full Step? If it does stand for full step, the picture of the 1959 in the link you sent me, in no way (IMO) looks like a full step. So I'm confused. I also don't know what 104 stands for or 022.3 stands for.

I'm pissed off and aggravated at myself for not being able to find what I'm looking for without bothering you guys!! I have nightmares of having a significant find in my hand and not knowing what the hell I have!

[WxMan]

Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, I found that link. From where I sit those pictures just aren't helping me very much. I need closer pictures w/details. I can barely see the Double Die on the Obv. I still don't really know what I'm looking for or at. PCGS says 1959 1C DDO FS-104 (FS-022.3), RD (Regular Strike) but unless I'm missing it, I just don't see a detailed explanation of this variety. I need a translation key to tell me what all these numbers and letters mean. I take it FS stands for Full Step? If it does stand for full step, the picture of the 1959 in the link you sent me, in no way (IMO) looks like a full step. So I'm confused. I also don't know what 104 stands for or 022.3 stands for.

I'm pissed off and aggravated at myself for not being able to find what I'm looking for without bothering you guys!! I have nightmares of having a significant find in my hand and not knowing what the hell I have!

When your new to this it can be very confusing and frustrating. Just take a step back and take a deep breath and try the link below.

http://www.doubleddie.com/344622.html

[willbrooks]

Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, I found that link. From where I sit those pictures just aren't helping me very much. I need closer pictures w/details. I can barely see the Double Die on the Obv. I still don't really know what I'm looking for or at. PCGS says 1959 1C DDO FS-104 (FS-022.3), RD (Regular Strike) but unless I'm missing it, I just don't see a detailed explanation of this variety. I need a translation key to tell me what all these numbers and letters mean. I take it FS stands for Full Step? If it does stand for full step, the picture of the 1959 in the link you sent me, in no way (IMO) looks like a full step. So I'm confused. I also don't know what 104 stands for or 022.3 stands for.

I'm pissed off and aggravated at myself for not being able to find what I'm looking for without bothering you guys!! I have nightmares of having a significant find in my hand and not knowing what the hell I have!

While FS CAN mean full steps, especially with nickels, in this case FS plus the numbers refers to Fivas-Stanton and their attribution numbers. They are the authors of the "cherrypickers guide to rare die varieties" and these are there reference numbers. It is just one of the several attribution numbering systems we use to identify variety coins. Any given variety can be identified by several different attribution numbers. There is coppercoins.com, or varietyvista (Wiles), or doubleddie.com (Wexler), or Crawford, or Fivas-Stanton, and probably some others too. Hope that helps clarify a little.

[TJ1952]

When your new to this it can be very confusing and frustrating. Just take a step back and take a deep breath and try the link below.

http://www.doubleddie.com/344622.html

Wow! Now that's what I'm talking about. Thanks very much for that link. I've been on that site and never found/saw that page. Obviously, operator error from where I sit. That page will take me months to digest! Thanks for heading me in the right direction. As you can tell, I'm pretty much wrapped around the axle on this stuff. I have a note pad full of notes and a computer full of coin bookmarks. The sad part is, I could go a life time and never see/know it all! Thanks again!

[TJ1952]

While FS CAN mean full steps, especially with nickels, in this case FS plus the numbers refers to Fivas-Stanton and their attribution numbers. They are the authors of the "cherrypickers guide to rare die varieties" and these are there reference numbers. It is just one of the several attribution numbering systems we use to identify variety coins. Any given variety can be identified by several different attribution numbers. There is coppercoins.com, or varietyvista (Wiles), or doubleddie.com (Wexler), or Crawford, or Fivas-Stanton, and probably some others too. Hope that helps clarify a little.

Jeeezzzzz! Really? Like WxMan said, I need to step away from the computer take a deep breath. I am so wrapped around the axle, damn! Okay, I've gotta digest some of this and regroup. You guys are great! Thanks very much!

I need to go do this:

[willbrooks]

Tom, (and other newbies) I know we reference the glossary often, but I have also compiled a large list of acronyms and abbreviations with TONS of associated links for your reference. You should check it out. It is a good "launching pad" to other coin sites. Also, since we tend to use a lot of abbreviations in posts, this will help you to decipher them. The link is at the top of the page next to the glossary link called ABBREVIATIONS, but here is also the link. http://www.lincolncentforum.com/acronyms/

edit: You will find FS listed here in this list.

[TJ1952]

Tom, (and other newbies) I know we reference the glossary often, but I have also compiled a large list of acronyms and abbreviations with TONS of associated links for your reference. You should check it out. It is a good "launching pad" to other coin sites. Also, since we tend to use a lot of abbreviations in posts, this will help you to decipher them. The link is at the top of the page next to the glossary link called ABBREVIATIONS, but here is also the link. http://www.lincolncentforum.com/acronyms/

edit: You will find FS listed here in this list.

Got it.... and bookmarked. I've got homework to do! Thanks for your patience and understanding!