2017 P Die Clash

[TJ1952]

Here are some additional photos. Not sure if I'm taking the pictures in the right spot.

[VAB2013]

Very nice photos! You have the U of EPU at the bow tie! Still looking for more!

Edit: Strong clash of P (EPU) on obverse!
Clash at neck in Photo #3
Clash at bow tie Photo #4
Clash of hair above N of Cent Photo #6

What I thought was a die clash above the zero of date is PSD

Also... right left corner of N (ONE) and below CEN of (CENT) looks like die cracks to me... wonder if those cracks happened when the dies clashed? Just curious since the dies appeared to have clashed pretty hard to produce that P on the front and it's showing center of the coin anomalies.

There probably is more hiding on this coin! Tom, why don't you send it to Jim and he can take photos for you! Jim helped me with a die clash recently and his photos are super duper! That way the photos can get done for Jason to look at as soon as maddieclashes.com is taking submissions!

[TJ1952]

Oh! I see it! Yes, it's very slight but it's there. Viv, I was looking and looking. It just jumped out at me. Thank you for that!

Although this example is extreme, I guess it would look something like this.

[jfines69]

Nice follow up pics... Thanks... Looks like you got quite a few clash marks going on... Now it may be the lite reflection but the TY vertical bars look really thick... The west arm of the Y is also thick... The 20 of the date appears to be distorted... Like I said it may be the lite reflection tho... Shiney coins are not easy to get pics of... Send me a PM if you want me to take some pics for you!!!

[VAB2013]

Thank you very much Jim! I didn't think you would mind, and the photos you took for me of that die clash were so awesome!

[TJ1952]

[Clash of hair above N of Cent Photo #6]

Viv- Just to clarify. The N of Cent or the N of One?

[VAB2013]

[Clash of hair above N of Cent Photo #6]

Viv- Just to clarify. The N of Cent or the N of One?

The N of ONE... sorry if I messed that up, it's on the previous page

[TJ1952]

The N of ONE... sorry if I messed that up, it's on the previous page

Okay got it, thanks.

[jfines69]

The N of ONE... sorry if I messed that up, it's on the previous page

There is a clash mark above the N of CENT by the looks of it on S11 (S = Stripe)!!!

[VAB2013]

There is a clash mark above the N of CENT by the looks of it on S11 (S = Stripe)!!!

Yes there is Jim, looks like the under side of Lincoln's nose above N of CENT.. It a clash of hair above above N of ONE.

[jfines69]

Pics of your clash!!!

Here are the images of your coin... Not only is the coin shiney it is already showing signs of toning... The images are as close to the color of the coin as I could get without touching up the images... It appears this is from a real late die stage... Notice how worn away the bow tie area is... There are no visible abrasions, I can see, from die polishing... Not as much clashing as I thought there was but still nice... I used pointers on the items I could identify... I also created an overlay... I included a image of LIBERTY by itself... Yours looks like a Class 9 across all the verticals of LIBERTY... The west arm of the Y is thicker than the east and RTY is thicker than the rest... Thicker than the 2017 Ps I have seen so far... Hopefully Bob or one of the other pros can chime in to confirm either way... Hope the pics are ok for you!!!

[makecents]

Excellent pics Jim!! That would be very cool if he were able to get a DDO out of it too!!

[VAB2013]

Really awesome looking photos Jim! It sure does look like a DDO! I believe it is every bit as strong as the ones I saw listed on Wexler's website, only saw 2 that were stronger. Jim, do you see any markers that match the listings? I suppose it's possible that the dies could have clashed after some of those were found. If no matches, then this could be a new DD with a nice die clash! Congrats Tom!!!

[jfines69]

Really awesome looking photos Jim! It sure does look like a DDO! I believe it is every bit as strong as the ones I saw listed on Wexler's website, only saw 2 that were stronger. Jim, do you see any markers that match the listings? I suppose it's possible that the dies could have clashed after some of those were found. If no matches, then this could be a new DD with a nice die clash! Congrats Tom!!!

I did not look but I will... There is a nice crack in the hair just above the fore head that can be used as a marker!!!


Added - I took a look at Wexler... I did not realize there were that many DDOs already... Cool... Toms coin is much stronger than 004 or 005 http://doubleddie.com/2318537.html so I am inclined to think Toms coin is a DDO and listable as a new one!!!

[TJ1952]

Here are the images of your coin... Not only is the coin shiney it is already showing signs of toning... The images are as close to the color of the coin as I could get without touching up the images... It appears this is from a real late die stage... Notice how worn away the bow tie area is... There are no visible abrasions, I can see, from die polishing... Not as much clashing as I thought there was but still nice... I used pointers on the items I could identify... I also created an overlay... I included a image of LIBERTY by itself... Yours looks like a Class 9 across all the verticals of LIBERTY... The west arm of the Y is thicker than the east and RTY is thicker than the rest... Thicker than the 2017 Ps I have seen so far... Hopefully Bob or one of the other pros can chime in to confirm either way... Hope the pics are ok for you!!!

Thanks so much for taking the time to do this Jim, you're great! Brilliant pictures! I hope it wasn't to much of a hassle for you. This would never have happened without Vivien's help and suggestion.......and her eyes!

I'm blown away by the help and support of you guys! It makes me wonder how many coins may have slipped through my fingers over the years. Oh well, you guys are here now to bail me out and pull my butt out of the fire. Thanks very much!!