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  • Petespockets55
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    • Dec 2014
    • 6890

    #1

    Error Struck Through | 1992 p planchet error

    I found this Lincoln cent with a curving Arc on the reverse that starts out at the first column and continues under STA of STATES.
    I know the first inclination is to say PSD but the fairly deep and incuse Arc barely is visible on top of the devices. I'm finding it difficult to explain but where it is visible it is distorted and smooth from being struck by the dies.
    I believe the arc (from the rim of another planchette?) was on the planchette before entering the Coining chamber and being struck by the dies.
    I just hope my images are clear enough the show what I'm seeing in hand.
    Thanks for looking. Cliff
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  • retiredcopper
    Member
    • Dec 2014
    • 646

    #2
    Sure looks like that to me. Let's see what the experts say.

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    • jfines69
      Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 28848

      #3
      Cool... It may be a struck thru... Something like a wire... There is damage over the rim at the T of STATES... Due to the circ wear it is a little difficult to tell 100%... You also have either a die chip or piece of extraneous material on the NW corner of the E... It does not appear to be a counter clash Type 1 - http://www.maddieclashes.com/type-i-counterclash/ or Type 2 - http://www.maddieclashes.com/type-ii-counter-clash/
      Jim
      (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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      • Roller
        Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 6975

        #4
        Need to see a close up of the obverse opposite the anomaly.

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        • Petespockets55
          Paid Member

          • Dec 2014
          • 6890

          #5
          Originally posted by jfines69
          Cool... It may be a struck thru... Something like a wire... There is damage over the rim at the T of STATES... Due to the circ wear it is a little difficult to tell 100%... You also have either a die chip or piece of extraneous material on the NW corner of the E... It does not appear to be a counter clash Type 1 - http://www.maddieclashes.com/type-i-counterclash/ or Type 2 - http://www.maddieclashes.com/type-ii-counter-clash/
          Thanks Jim, but definitely not struck through as it is NOT as deep where it intersects the letters. And where it does intersect the letters there is a light, non-straight line where the metal has been moved from the strike (metal of the letters).
          Last edited by Petespockets55; 06-01-2018, 05:05 AM.

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          • Petespockets55
            Paid Member

            • Dec 2014
            • 6890

            #6
            Originally posted by Roller
            Need to see a close up of the obverse opposite the anomaly.
            Thanks George.
            I'll have to dig it out to get that close up since I first tried to post this about three weeks ago.
            (I forgot to include the Error title twice so it kept going into "Auto saved" without the images. I didn't realize what I was doing incorrectly.)

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            • Petespockets55
              Paid Member

              • Dec 2014
              • 6890

              #7
              Originally posted by retiredcopper
              Sure looks like that to me. Let's see what the experts say.
              Thanks RC. I'm with you, let's see they say.

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              • VAB2013
                Forum Ambassador
                • Nov 2013
                • 12351

                #8
                Interesting find Cliff! I think a planchet with an existing anomaly like this would cause the devices to be weakly struck like the ST of States. But, at the Memorial that doesn't look the same, the anomaly looks deeper into the devices. What a brain twister!

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                • jfines69
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 28848

                  #9
                  Looking at the obv there appears to be no indication of damage or weakness... Also if the line were on the planchet prior to strike the letters should have still formed properly??? Not 100% sure tho... I looked again but I am still leaning toward struck through with circ wear!!!
                  Jim
                  (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                  • makecents
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                    • Jun 2017
                    • 11038

                    #10
                    Cliff, if you can, take your pic of the reverse or take another picture, crop it as perfectly as you can, then go to "paint" and resize to 80 pixels and post the pic.

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                    • Petespockets55
                      Paid Member

                      • Dec 2014
                      • 6890

                      #11
                      Sorry for the delayed reply to all. Work has been interfering with fun.
                      (Down a guy and having to fill in to try to keep on schedule.)

                      Viv, you're on the right track because there is some metal from the struck devices filling in the incuse area (from the pressure of the strike).

                      Jim, definitely not a strike through. May need to send to you for better images and clarification.

                      Jon, I'll try your suggestion a little later when more time is available.

                      George (Roller), First image below is for you.

                      Meanwhile,
                      here are some more images taken at night. (darkness at night seems to help somewhat, less ambient light messing with the phone I think)

                      And of course, Thanks for all comments. Cliff
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                      • jfines69
                        Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 28848

                        #12
                        Fairly good follow up pics... A little blurry but not to bad... Except for were the item of interest crosses the devices the edges are nice and sharp like a struck thru would be... However, I'm old but easy Send it my way if you want to... I'll get the best pics I can for ya!!!
                        Jim
                        (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                        • Roller
                          Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 6975

                          #13
                          It is looking like a struck through. It is not PSD and is not a incomplete clip. If there is an other possibility, I'm ready to concede.

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                          • Petespockets55
                            Paid Member

                            • Dec 2014
                            • 6890

                            #14
                            Wouldn't the depth of a strike through be a uniform depth?
                            In other words, the deepest part of the anomaly should be a consistent depth if it was struck through.
                            This anomaly is not as deep where it intersects the devices. Wouldn't this mean the metal flowed into this area when struck by the dies? Less metal in these areas to fill the devices because the metal was lacking when the dies struck.

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                            • GrumpyEd
                              Member
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 7229

                              #15
                              I'm thinking it seems more like a struck through than a scratch on the planchet before strike.

                              If it was a scratch then from the strike I think it would close up most in the fields and least in the high spots (tops of letters) leaving the deepest groove through the letters (like planchet lines and defects show best in high areas on cents like the shoulder or flat area of the hair). This coin seems opposite, it looks like the line is deepest in the fields and less deep crossing the letters.

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