Error Other | 1986 P Multiple Errors Request Review

[emodx]

Hello penny experts. I offer up a 1986 P with what looks like multiple errors. Here is what I am thinking:

OBV: 1) misaligned strike - IGWT clearly in the rim area; 060 - 105 degrees beveled rim. 2) grease spot - 270 - 315 degrees LIBERTY T is obliterated and Y looks like a V; IN obliterated; massive luster area missing left of Lincolns head. 3) DD/MD on L of Liberty

Rev: 1) grease spot - USoA and EPU

So thats what I see. Can you confirm? Do you see anything I missed? If all of this is confirmed, what is next, send it to a Variety expert of have attributed? Thanks in advance for taking a look!

1986 obv.jpg 1986 rev.jpg 1986 obv igwt.jpg 1986 obv gwt.jpg 1986 rev USoA.jpg 1986 rev memorial.jpg

[GrumpyEd]

Strange, that obliterated area looks like damage on the T and rim but the missing IN looks like it might be clogged so I'm thinking most of that is from being clogged, LOL, I'll see what the others think of it all.

To me these all mostly quality issues don't add much value so no reason to need attribution. But everyone has their own ideas about what's interesting or if multiple things add up to more interest.

It also has a ridge ring. LINK

[mustbebob]

Definitely the ridge ring and post strike damage as suggested. It is interesting around TRUST though, but it is still just damage.

[emodx]

Strange, that obliterated area looks like damage on the T and rim but the missing IN looks like it might be clogged so I'm thinking most of that is from being clogged, LOL, I'll see what the others think of it all.

To me these all mostly quality issues don't add much value so no reason to need attribution. But everyone has their own ideas about what's interesting or if multiple things add up to more interest.

It also has a ridge ring. LINK

Clogged as in full of grease? That's my initial take which is why I think the "TY" didn't properly form. Do you think the L is machine doubling?

[emodx]

Definitely the ridge ring and post strike damage as suggested. It is interesting around TRUST though, but it is still just damage.

Do you mind being a little more specific to what you consider damage? I am trying to learn as much as I can.

[enamel7]

It all appears to be damage. Except for the ridge ring which is from a worn out die.

[jfines69]

That is cool looking... I will need to come back to tell you a little more... Got to take care of my birds!!!

[mustbebob]

Do you mind being a little more specific to what you consider damage? I am trying to learn as much as I can.

Sure. The area around the TY of LIBERTY looks as though it was hit or maybe even suffered from a bubble that burst. The corresponding area around that anomaly looks like a scrape to the north that affected the word IN and the rim. This is all considered damage. The area to the right of TRUST looks as though it was bent over...once again by a scrape from the rim inward. Anything that is on the coin that was not intended to be there is considered damage. In this case, it all happened after the coin left the mint.

[GrumpyEd]

The T looks like damage plus it seems like the patina was scraped off from there all the way up to the rim and the rim is damaged.
The only thing that is odd is that IN is gone and no zinc shows in the pic, I'd sort of expect some zinc to show through if IN was scraped off so it looks like it was clogged. BUT..... the fact that the rim is damaged above it and it looks scraped all the way from T to the rim right through IN and the patina is scraped off suggests that it's scraped. Maybe somehow it was scraped but smeared copper so zinc didn't show or it flattened and copper stayed OR by some miracle the IN really is clogged and that damage is in the same spot.

So what I'm saying is that to me the IN looks clogged but the damage above and below makes it a hard sell, sort of like we have 3 bodies in a row, the front one and back one have bullet holes so it's a hard sell to say the one in the middle died of natural causes in between them.

[emodx]

Thanks to everyone that responded!

[jfines69]

On your full obv pic there appears to be a faint outline of the IN... It may have been a grease (clogged) filled die but with the damage to the area there is no real way to tell... The only verifiable error is the ridge ring (die wear) which has caused GWT to narrow in the center of the letters... The die wear has caused the plating at the L of LIBERTY to slide up a little and created a small trench to the Ls west... This is common on the heavily worn dies... Here is a link to Error Ref. http://www.error-ref.com/?s=ridge+ring and from our Glossary -
Ridge Ring: One of the many manifestations of die deterioration, a ridge ring is a circular area of distortion that goes around the perimeter of a coin near the rim and is the result of cold-metal flow toward the rim from the striking process. These are most commonly seen in the 1980s. Photos courtesy of jay4202472000.


Hope that helps a little!!!

[willbrooks]

I agree. severe die wear, post mint damage, and staining is all I see on this specimen. Keep looking! Learning to identify the non-valuable stuff is the first step.