Error Die Clash/Break | 1968 D die dents or possible clash?

[makecents]

Found this a little bit ago, I'm not sure what I have here and need a little help. It may just be something as simple as die dents but put me in mind of the recessed areas of the jacket but raised, like it would be on the die. It looks like there are several abraded clashes in the field but cannot make out what any may have been.

Any input would be appreciated.
Jon.

[mustbebob]

Those appear to be little chips that broke off the edge of the die. I have seen stuff like that before...especially on the very edges of the die.

[makecents]

Thanks, Bob!! I had a feeling it was something simple. They are just so well formed, I was hoping for something more.

[makecents]

Those appear to be little chips that broke off the edge of the die. I have seen stuff like that before...especially on the very edges of the die.

Bob, I found this today and has me wondering now. This one is a Philly, so maybe a chip on the working hub, used by both mints? It looks extremely similar but only one instead two, maybe a different stage?

[kloccwork419]

Still cool to have a P & D with what looks like the same dent

[mustbebob]

I don't have an explanation for the similarity between the two. Each working die would have to have the chip in order to produce this type of gouge. If you still have both coins, maybe an overlay is in order.

[makecents]

Ok, I'm just now getting what you where saying before, about the chips. I could not understand how they produced raised areas on the coin but you meant that chips were out of the die, not on it, now I got it. I'll do an overlay and see how close it is. The Philly coin's anomaly, looks slightly smaller in size but very close in proximity.

[mustbebob]

but you meant that chips were out of the die, not on it

That is correct.

Let us know how the overlays turn out.

[willbrooks]

I find these 2 finds interesting. Being that these are both 1968 cents, which have the motto right up against the rim, I can easily support the die chip theory against the O and rim as a weak spot prone to a die chip. However, your first coin has another one, in the same smooth triangular shape that DOES NOT border the G, as would be expected for a chip. I cannot reconcile a die chip there, in that shape, on your first coin. Because of this, I would have diagnosed mechanical/tool die damage on your first coin for sure. A second one in the same place on a different die (or die stage) decreases my degree of certainty. I will put this on the list of anomalies that we find interesting that nobody else will ever give a damn about. (Unless the CPG lists it as a rare die variety.)

[makecents]

I find these 2 finds interesting. Being that these are both 1968 cents, which have the motto right up against the rim, I can easily support the die chip theory against the O and rim as a weak spot prone to a die chip. However, your first coin has another one, in the same smooth triangular shape that DOES NOT border the G, as would be expected for a chip. I cannot reconcile a die chip there, in that shape, on your first coin. Because of this, I would have diagnosed mechanical/tool die damage on your first coin for sure. A second one in the same place on a different die (or die stage) decreases my degree of certainty. I will put this on the list of anomalies that we find interesting that nobody else will ever give a damn about. (Unless the CPG lists it as a rare die variety.)

Is it unheard of, different mints using the same working die? Otherwise it would have to roll back to a working hub, with a raised anomaly on the hub, which would show up much more often, if so. Didn't the Philly mint make working dies for the other mints in certain years?

I'll try to do an overlay this evening.

[kloccwork419]

They don't match exactly. Just close

[willbrooks]

Is it unheard of, different mints using the same working die? Otherwise it would have to roll back to a working hub, with a raised anomaly on the hub, which would show up much more often, if so. Didn't the Philly mint make working dies for the other mints in certain years?

I'll try to do an overlay this evening.

How can they be the same die? Are you suggesting that the die was made and used in Philadelphia to strike coinage, and then later, had a D Mint mark added to it, and shipped to Denver where it was used to strike more coinage and where it recieved another very similar die damage to it? That's pretty silly. Doing an overlay is pointless in my opinion since they aren't even the same Mint.

[makecents]

How can they be the same die? Are you suggesting that the die was made and used in Philadelphia to strike coinage, and then later, had a D Mint mark added to it, and shipped to Denver where it was used to strike more coinage and where it recieved another very similar die damage to it? That's pretty silly. Doing an overlay is pointless in my opinion since they aren't even the same Mint.

Sorry, I guess I was thinking of the master die....

[kloccwork419]

No need for the overlay. You can see just by the pictures they aren't exact and that they are different mints

[makecents]

Even though it was for not, I hadn't done one in awhile.