PCGS MS62 BN 1911D-1MM-001 .....Maybe??

[duece2seven]

Another Ebay gamble. For starters I will say that this MM appears much stronger through a 10X triplet than it does through my Dino-Lite?? It's weird. As usual, please forgive the color variations as this coin is both heavily toned and slabbed in a well-scratched holder (kinda peaved about scratches!). There is one particularly nasty scratch right through the MM and had to try several techniques to shoot this one. 1MM-001 is my guess if it's anything at all? This is a strange one for me and, honestly, out of my league. I'll let you guys decide. Thanks

[WheatsRATreat]

I think your guess of 1MM-001 is spot on. The position of the MM is correct. I'm seeing a light vertical bar to west of the primary mint mark. A nw/se die scratch under the 19 in the date. I think you have a great pick, and to already be slabbed is a huge bonus. Off the top of my head this variety hasn't been graded in MS by PCGS so this would be an exciting find. Not 100% on that though. Thanks for sharing.

[jfines69]

Ok you have me lost here... I compared this to Copper Coins 1MM-001 and yours appears way to far south... What am I missing???

[willbrooks]

I am in agreement with Jim, Your mint mark position does not appear to match 1MM-001. I'm not even certain this is an RPM at all. Your mint mark looks like it has slide doubling or maybe just some damage which makes it tough to clearly see what is going on.

[WaterSport]

Well, this is another classic example of why just showing the date and MM to ID a variety is not enough. First I would say the MM position relative to the date...looks OK for RPM 1. Here are a couple of picks of slabbed examples.



Now the other 2 markers I use is that the LI of Liberty has consistently been struck weak like on these examples.



Followed but a weakly struck O in ONE that not only spreads north as it thins out, BUT also shows most of the E PLUR weak as well like on these Reverse.



So go back and look and tell us what you found...

WS

[DCW]

The king has spoken...
Take Watersport's advice. He's picked more than his fair share!

[lineop3]

I agree too with Jim...looks a bit south to be #1.

Aisha

[duece2seven]

Sorry for not posting whole coin shot. Took me an hour to shoot these because of scratched slab. I'll post one in morning. I may have to use original EBay listing. I think PCGS took shots before slabbing which were used in listing. Am I allowed to post EBay listing? Marker shots will be better I think - less scratches. Thanks guys!

[Brad]

The king has spoken...
Take Watersport's advice. He's picked more than his fair share!

I figured it was best to wait for Watersport

[jay4202472000]

I think the reason the mm on the OP looks south is due to the tilt of the coin. You can see the edge fairly well to the southeast. It has to be tilted a bit. This could cause an optical illusion the the D is farther south than it actually is. Just thinking out loud.

[duece2seven]

Still at work but here's the EBay item number if you guys wanna see original listing:
131461056767

[mrmike916]

It sure looks like something is going on there with the mm, but unfortunately I'm with the too far south croud. I thought Tracys pic #24 was perfect for an overlay. With permission from Coppercoins.com, I wanted to post screeshot Tracys coin, with an overlay of CC's 001. Overlays are not always the answer, just an extra tool to help determine what you have.

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[duece2seven]

Whole coin pics

Just used my last brain cell on these shots! These shots were taken straight on with no angle. Let me say this again guys- I have never held a coin that photographs SO much differently than the view through a 10X Hastings Triplet. It's crazy! In hand through the loupe this thing shows what appears to be a nearly complete extra vertical bar on the MM. Much stronger than my Dino-Lite shots. I truly don't understand how my
scope misses this? The original Ebay listing picks up most of it, and, in my opinion, offers a more "true" view of the coin than my photos:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-D-1C-Li...-/131461056767. OK, in response to Watersport's request I shall attempt to attribute this bird by my photos:

1. MM position- I'm torn on MM position. Mine looks close to 1MM-001 but, again, I'm not sure. It does look a bit further south.

2. The LI of LIBERTY is much stronger on my coin. LI is perhaps somewhat weaker than the other letters but not much if any.
Is this due to an earlier die state? Out of my depth here....

3. The O in ONE and E. PLURIBUS on my coin DOES weaken in a similar fashion to Watersport's examples.

In conclusion, I think I have an RPM here and I think it's 1MM-001 but I'm not sure you guys can see what I see with the coin in hand? Either way, I really appreciate your input here. I just wish I could portray a better view of this coin. It's THAT much stronger in hand!

[WaterSport]

Nice work MrMike! That tells me it is not RPM 1. However, that is not to say you do not have something there. The fact that the O is weak is not a defining characteristic as many other 1911 D cents have this. I think it is caused by a preassure issue and that is why I feel the Denver Mint had a hard time breaking dies this year as RPM 1 is the ONLY rpm of the 4 (5 if you want to count the OMM) that does NOT have a die crack to help ID it.

Now that said I would send it along to one of the many other experts here who have a decent scope to see what they can see. Who knows, maybe you got discovery piece.

Good luck and thanks for sharing this coin and keep us posted on what you find out.

WS

[jfines69]

Trying to get good pics is tough unless you have Rays setup ... Your mm still looks to far south... This will have to be one of those that need to be seen in hand by one of the pros... Maybe it is a new RPM???