1968 D DDO or Doubled working hub? Leaning towards 1968D-1DO-002

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  • makecents
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    • Jun 2017
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    #16
    Originally posted by VAB2013
    Jon, I'm not ruling out a DD, but I think your mint mark is closer to the 9 than CC's 002. What I'm seeing on IGWT is interesting.
    Wow!! I know better than that! That's attribution 101, check date and mm! I think it's been awhile since I attributed something with a mm. You are definitely correct though, mine is north and west of 002. I'll look through again and see if anything else looks good. Thanks Viv!
    Last edited by makecents; 07-04-2018, 05:43 AM.

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    • makecents
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      • Jun 2017
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      #17
      Originally posted by joel
      Your can is hot Jon!! WTG!!
      Thanks Larry!! I need to figure out if I have something though. Not sure at this point.

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      • jfines69
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        • Jun 2010
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        #18
        I agree on not being 002 due to the MM location CCs 001 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds is really close in MM location but I am not sure on the doubling because of the circ wear... VVs 003 http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20LC...968DDDO003.htm is really close also in MM location.... The circ wear will make this one difficult to attribute... I think MM location will be a key factor on this one... If we can not find a match it could be a new listing or Philly sent a hub to Denver with DD on it???
        Jim
        (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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        • makecents
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          #19
          Originally posted by jfines69
          I agree on not being 002 due to the MM location CCs 001 http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds is really close in MM location but I am not sure on the doubling because of the circ wear... VVs 003 http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20LC...968DDDO003.htm is really close also in MM location.... The circ wear will make this one difficult to attribute... I think MM location will be a key factor on this one... If we can not find a match it could be a new listing or Philly sent a hub to Denver with DD on it???
          Yeah, I still can't believe I pulled that bone head move, it's not even close to 002. I've been looking at a couple that are extremely close as you mentioned. Wexler says in his WWHO listing that this particular working hub was used for P,D,S and even in S proofs. If I understand the pecking order the working hub is made by the master die, so not as many potential as there could be with a doubled master die but still a lot I suppose. I've got several hours in this guy and may just put in my send off stack. As you said with the wear, it would be tough. Thanks for taking a look though Jim!!

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          • jfines69
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            • Jun 2010
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            #20
            Originally posted by makecents
            Yeah, I still can't believe I pulled that bone head move, it's not even close to 002. I've been looking at a couple that are extremely close as you mentioned. Wexler says in his WWHO listing that this particular working hub was used for P,D,S and even in S proofs. If I understand the pecking order the working hub is made by the master die, so not as many potential as there could be with a doubled master die but still a lot I suppose. I've got several hours in this guy and may just put in my send off stack. As you said with the wear, it would be tough. Thanks for taking a look though Jim!!
            That working hub ran the circuit... Since the working hub makes the working dies no telling how many working dies were created throughout the mint... Would you like me to do an overlay for the date/MM... I won't be able to post the pics but it may help decide either way???
            Jim
            (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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            • makecents
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              #21
              Originally posted by jfines69
              That working hub ran the circuit... Since the working hub makes the working dies no telling how many working dies were created throughout the mint... Would you like me to do an overlay for the date/MM... I won't be able to post the pics but it may help decide either way???
              Sure Jim, I would really appreciate that!! I've been lazy and have not dug into doing the overlays yet....

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              • jfines69
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                • Jun 2010
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                #22
                Originally posted by makecents
                Sure Jim, I would really appreciate that!! I've been lazy and have not dug into doing the overlays yet....
                Cool... Thanks Jon... I will see what I can come up with!!!
                Jim
                (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                • jfines69
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                  • Jun 2010
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by makecents
                  Yeah, I still can't believe I pulled that bone head move, it's not even close to 002. I've been looking at a couple that are extremely close as you mentioned. Wexler says in his WWHO listing that this particular working hub was used for P,D,S and even in S proofs. If I understand the pecking order the working hub is made by the master die, so not as many potential as there could be with a doubled master die but still a lot I suppose. I've got several hours in this guy and may just put in my send off stack. As you said with the wear, it would be tough. Thanks for taking a look though Jim!!
                  Nothing wrong with bone head moves... With out them our brains would just kind of be a blob
                  Jim
                  (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                  • jfines69
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                    • Jun 2010
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                    #24
                    Just wanted to give ya'll an update... I did an overlay of Jons date/MM image with CCs 001 and VVs 003 date/MM images... On CCs 001 Jons MM was to far north... On VVs 003 the date, MM, jacket and rim line all lined up... I am currently waiting for a reply from Dr. Wiles on using the image from 003 in this thread... Once I know either way I will re-post!!!
                    Jim
                    (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                    • makecents
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                      • Jun 2017
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by jfines69
                      Just wanted to give ya'll an update... I did an overlay of Jons date/MM image with CCs 001 and VVs 003 date/MM images... On CCs 001 Jons MM was to far north... On VVs 003 the date, MM, jacket and rim line all lined up... I am currently waiting for a reply from Dr. Wiles on using the image from 003 in this thread... Once I know either way I will re-post!!!
                      Sweet!! Thank you for your help on this Jim!! Again!!

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                      • jfines69
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by makecents
                        Sweet!! Thank you for your help on this Jim!! Again!!
                        I just hope Dr. Wiles lets me use the image!!!
                        Jim
                        (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                        • makecents
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by jfines69
                          I just hope Dr. Wiles lets me use the image!!!
                          If you would like to see this one in hand I can send with the 2006P I'm about to send you.

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                          • jfines69
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by makecents
                            If you would like to see this one in hand I can send with the 2006P I'm about to send you.
                            More than happy to take a gander at it... Even take a goose at it
                            Jim
                            (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                            • jfines69
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                              #29
                              With permission from Variety Vista (Thank you Dr. Wiles) I did an overlay using the date/mm image from VVs 003 http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20D...968DDDO003.htm Date, MM jacket and rim all line up so in my opinion your coin is VVs 003... The 1st image is from VV the second is Jons overlaid on VVs 003 then Jons... I believe yours is a later die stage but not 100% sure... Thanks Jon for letting me do this overlay for you... I appreciate it!!!
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                              Jim
                              (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                              • makecents
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by jfines69
                                With permission from Variety Vista (Thank you Dr. Wiles) I did an overlay using the date/mm image from VVs 003 http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20D...968DDDO003.htm Date, MM jacket and rim all line up so in my opinion your coin is VVs 003... The 1st image is from VV the second is Jons overlaid on VVs 003 then Jons... I believe yours is a later die stage but not 100% sure... Thanks Jon for letting me do this overlay for you... I appreciate it!!!
                                Thank you Jim, very nice work!! It looks spot on! Thanks again for doing this and thanks to Dr. Wiles for allowing for the use of the listing pics!

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