1960 D LD DDO or not?

[makecents]

I may not have anything here but did not want to toss without asking. It put me in mind of the SD DDO-001, where it almost looks like extra metal on the date. There also looks to be the same thing happening on the east arm of the Y.


Thanks for looking, Jon.

[VAB2013]

Jon, are you talking about a small date over a large date hubbing?

[makecents]

Jon, are you talking about a small date over a large date hubbing?

Yes. (http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/d...&die_state=mds) It just put me in mind of that. There are no listings that look like what I have and it may just be some type of die damage. I feel I've seen this before but not as pronounced.

[VAB2013]

I can see extra metal that looks like it's on the east side of the right arm of the Y and along the east edge of the 9. You mean similar extra metal on the top of the Y and the 9 that reminded you of this https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/dies...&die_state=mds

[makecents]

I can see extra metal that looks like it's on the east side of the right arm of the Y and along the east edge of the 9. You mean similar extra metal on the top of the Y and the 9 that reminded you of this https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/dies...&die_state=mds

Sorry, I changed the link above to the correct one. Yes, it just put me somewhat in mind of that variety. There looks to be something going on with the whole date. Here is a marked up pic with where I'm seeing it.


Maybe just a form of MD.

[VAB2013]

Thanks for the marked photo! Yeah, I see what you are talking about now and it doesn't really look like MD or hits.

[makecents]

Thanks for the marked photo! Yeah, I see what you are talking about now and it doesn't really look like MD or hits.

Thanks for checking it out Viv!! I think I obviously need to do some more studying!!


Holy crap, I hate studying...

[GrumpyEd]

The stuff you see on the 9 is from die chipping/cracking . For some reason 1960 was full of it, cracks that follow the numbers of the date then as they progressed they formed blobs or even partly filled but earlier on they look like doubling.

[VAB2013]

Thanks for checking it out Viv!! I think I obviously need to do some more studying!!


Holy crap, I hate studying...

You are welcome Jon! The more I look at it, the top curve of the 9, 6 and the zero look like they could be hit related because to the left of the metal I can see a low area and the hit looks like it was coming from the same direction. The large area of metal at the right side of the 9 and the Y could also be from hits, the 9 from the east side of the raised metal and the Y from either side of the metal I guess?

[VAB2013]

Ah ha! Thank you Edcyclopedia! You saved Jon from the dreaded studying session!

[makecents]

The stuff you see on the 9 is from die chipping/cracking . For some reason 1960 was full of it, cracks that follow the numbers of the date then as they progressed they formed blobs or even partly filled but earlier on they look like doubling.

My MAN!! For some reason, I knew you would be the one to come to my rescue!! As I had said earlier in my post, this was not the first time I had seen this but not to this extreme. What you have said has explained that quite well! Thank you sir!!

[makecents]

Ah ha! Thank you Edcyclopedia! You saved Jon from the dreaded studying session!

He did!! Thank you Viv for the help!! As always, you are the best!!

[VAB2013]

He did!! Thank you Viv for the help!! As always, you are the best!!

Awww thank you so much Jon! Same to you!

[makecents]

I guess I've never had coins that were of a high enough grade to see this so well. Here is another example I just ran across in the same batch of coins. Thanks again Ed!!

[GrumpyEd]

1960 is sort of interesting. The experts say the mint changed to the LD because of chipping in the dates on the SDs.
The odd thing to me is I haven't seen many 1960 SDs with a filled 0 so how could that have been such a big shop stopper that made them start over and go through the effort to change to the LD? Then the LD seems to be plagued with this issue on the date but they didn't see that as a problem yet I see messed up dates like this on lots of LDs, it seems they had more issues than the SDs.
Then on top of that, why did the SDs have so many of those tilted die clashes and why would going to the LD have solved that?

A lot of studying was done on the SDs and the tilted clashes and the reasoning of why the change to LD was done. But it seems they didn't talk much about this issue with cracking dates on LD.

My simpleton thought is, the mint had some other problem that was making the dies crack around the dates, sure it might be easier to crack of the center nub on a small date 0 but the problem wasn't the small date, there was some other problem making them prone to crack in that area.

And the other odd thing is, it's not extreme in 56 or 58-59 or 61-on but if you look at 57 cents, they had a similar issue and often had a similar crack pattern in the 9 and often progressed to be partly filled.

Interesting article on the 60s:

http://www.error-ref.com/the-mysterious-1960-small-date-lincoln-cent/