2014 doubled die From anonymous sender

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  • duck620
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    • Apr 2009
    • 2916

    #16
    "WOW" what a great coin! Congrats,that's so cool
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    • Sheila ruley
      Paid Member

      • May 2016
      • 2504

      #17
      The Anonymous sender sure did find something didn’t they!

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      • Sheila ruley
        Paid Member

        • May 2016
        • 2504

        #18
        Would this one be the same listing as Wexler’s? Or would it be a different one? It looks different to me.

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        • VAB2013
          Forum Ambassador
          • Nov 2013
          • 12351

          #19
          Originally posted by VAB2013
          Looks like you have a Wexler 2014 WDDO-003! Very nice DD Sheila! The die crack on the left side of the Shield looks to match, so does the die crack connecting the lower C and E of CENT. However... I am not seeing the die chip in the 4 on yours and I'm not seeing the die crack connecting the EN of CENT. I have been waiting to see one of these show up without the die chip in the 4... but yours doesn't have it... right? I can't see it... appears to not be there.
          Originally posted by Sheila ruley
          Would this one be the same listing as Wexler’s? Or would it be a different one? It looks different to me.
          Sheila, I think yours is the same as Wexler's WDDO-003 based on the appearance of the doubled die and what I saw comparing your photos to Wexler's markers, and now we know yours also has the die chip in the 4. The markers I saw that looked to match are in the top quote above. See what you think.

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          • Sheila ruley
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            • May 2016
            • 2504

            #20
            Originally posted by VAB2013
            Sheila, I think yours is the same as Wexler's WDDO-003 based on the appearance of the doubled die and what I saw comparing your photos to Wexler's markers, and now we know yours also has the die chip in the 4. The markers I saw that looked to match are in the top quote above. See what you think.
            OK, I left it in the plastic holder and looked at it. They die crack is there. The plastic holder took some of the glare off of it.

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            • mustbebob
              Lincoln Cent Variety Expert
              • Jul 2008
              • 12758

              #21
              The part of the definition of class 9 that there was a "shift" during the hubbing could explain why the post broke off. Lateral movement of the hub could have broken it off. Bob, would you agree that this is a possibility or am I missing the boat here?
              Had never thought about it Will, but in this case is very well could be applicable. We do have some precedent with broken devices such as the 1936 broken R in LIBERTY and the 1941 Broken last T in TRUST. However, since those were with multiple hubbings and this one is with a single squeeze, the 'snap back' seems to me to be a stretch. Why it only broke that one area and didn't affect others would be a question I would have. Since the snap back would have happened in the earliest part of the hubbing, then that would include the highest parts of the conical die.
              I guess the simple answer is I just don't know but by trying to visualize the hubbing, I could see something like this happening because of a metal flaw or something like that.
              Bob Piazza
              Former Lincoln Cent Attributer Coppercoins.com

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              • VAB2013
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                • Nov 2013
                • 12351

                #22
                Originally posted by Sheila ruley
                OK, I left it in the plastic holder and looked at it. They die crack is there. The plastic holder took some of the glare off of it.
                Cool, thank you for the follow up! Sheila, I have become a huge fan of white copy paper since Ray has been helping me with the new set up. No matter where your light source is coming from, putting white paper between the light and the coin really helps. Like right now... I have two full boxes of 2019P's (yay and yuck at the same time). I have a white paper circle diffuser covering the LED lights on the Celestron and a white paper tent between the Celestron and this dangling gooseneck "natural daylight" light bulb that is on a floor lamp leaning on my desk. Before I got this full ream of paper I was using envelopes... they had that blue security stuff printed inside of them - bad idea - it turned the coin a weird shade of purple blue.

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                • Sheila ruley
                  Paid Member

                  • May 2016
                  • 2504

                  #23
                  Originally posted by VAB2013
                  Cool, thank you for the follow up! Sheila, I have become a huge fan of white copy paper since Ray has been helping me with the new set up. No matter where your light source is coming from, putting white paper between the light and the coin really helps. Like right now... I have two full boxes of 2019P's (yay and yuck at the same time). I have a white paper circle diffuser covering the LED lights on the Celestron and a white paper tent between the Celestron and this dangling gooseneck "natural daylight" light bulb that is on a floor lamp leaning on my desk. Before I got this full ream of paper I was using envelopes... they had that blue security stuff printed inside of them - bad idea - it turned the coin a weird shade of purple blue.
                  wow! I don’t have room for that kind of set up. I have just a small area. And a small desk.

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                  • VAB2013
                    Forum Ambassador
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 12351

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Sheila ruley
                    wow! I don’t have room for that kind of set up. I have just a small area. And a small desk.
                    I hear ya... before I got this L shaped hand me down desk from my son, I was considering having to use the kitchen table. My other desk had just enough room for a monitor, keyboard, mouse and the Celestron! Good thing "pennies" are small

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                    • willbrooks
                      Die & Design Expert, LCF Glossary Author

                      • Jan 2012
                      • 9477

                      #25
                      Originally posted by mustbebob
                      Had never thought about it Will, but in this case is very well could be applicable. We do have some precedent with broken devices such as the 1936 broken R in LIBERTY and the 1941 Broken last T in TRUST. However, since those were with multiple hubbings and this one is with a single squeeze, the 'snap back' seems to me to be a stretch. Why it only broke that one area and didn't affect others would be a question I would have. Since the snap back would have happened in the earliest part of the hubbing, then that would include the highest parts of the conical die.
                      I guess the simple answer is I just don't know but by trying to visualize the hubbing, I could see something like this happening because of a metal flaw or something like that.
                      Thanks, Bob.
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                      • jfines69
                        Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 28848

                        #26
                        Awesome gift... Rite on with Wexlers 003 which is VVs 003... VV only has Stage B listed... Does your coin have the die cracks on the fore head and in the hair that are on VVs sample???
                        Last edited by jfines69; 06-06-2019, 04:06 AM.
                        Jim
                        (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                        • Sheila ruley
                          Paid Member

                          • May 2016
                          • 2504

                          #27
                          Originally posted by jfines69
                          Awesome gift... Rite on with Wexlers 003 which is VVs 003... VV only has Stage B listed... Does your coin have the die cracks on the fore head and in the hair that are on VVs sample???
                          sure does!
                          Last edited by jfines69; 06-06-2019, 04:06 AM.

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                          • jfines69
                            Member
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 28848

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Sheila ruley
                            sure does!
                            Cool... Thanks for the follow up... I was hoping no and that would have made yours a Stage A/EDS... I fixed my links to VVs 003!!!
                            Jim
                            (A.K.A. Elmer Fudd) Be verwy verwy quiet... I'm hunting coins!!! Good Hunting!!!

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                            • WaterSport
                              Paid Member

                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3292

                              #29
                              Great coin and what fun getting these as a surprise in the mail to boot. I also like the great detective team work everyone. And for the record it’s not me sending these coins either. But I am glad someone is.

                              WS

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                              • Sheila ruley
                                Paid Member

                                • May 2016
                                • 2504

                                #30
                                Originally posted by WaterSport
                                Great coin and what fun getting these as a surprise in the mail to boot. I also like the great detective team work everyone. And for the record it’s not me sending these coins either. But I am glad someone is.

                                WS
                                Thank you very much! It has been very fun!

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