1967 P Bar L or gouge? Need some help please.

[makecents]

Pulled this from a Loomis roll today and really felt like it was a bar L but can't make anything work for sure. In my opinion, it is either a new DDO or a gouge. The closest thing I can find, and that's only because it looks like there is a marker, (gouge at the "I"), maybe, is VV's and Wexler's 001 but no other markers between the two sites. The problem I have with this is mine looks more southern, which kind of matches Wexler's 002 but I could find markers and Wexler's was pulled from a set. Let me know what you think and let me know if you need more pics as I was having a hard time with the full coin shots.

VV (http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20LC...DDO%201967.htm)

Wexler (http://doubleddie.com/777118.html)

cc (http://www.coppercoins.com/diesearch.php)

Thanks for looking, Jon.

[GrumpyEd]

Could be a tiny DDO, it does not look like a gouge.

There's a smaller similar thing under the base of the B, not sure it's related or not.

[makecents]

Could be a tiny DDO, it does not look like a gouge.

There's a smaller similar thing under the base of the B, not sure it's related or not.

Thanks for the help Ed!! I know it's not big but the other bar L's aren't either, so I thought maybe something. Here is better pic of the B, not sure...

[eaxtellcoin]

I think it's a winner Jon. I will also say Dr. Wiles usually lists stuff if there are not many varieties for the year. I.E. easier to get one listed if only 3 different exist instead of 20 different dies. Good Luck if you send it in!

[makecents]

I think it's a winner Jon. I will also say Dr. Wiles usually lists stuff if there are not many varieties for the year. I.E. easier to get one listed if only 3 different exist instead of 20 different dies. Good Luck if you send it in!

Thank you Eric, very cool!! This is only the second bar L I've ever even found and a possible new one. I always look for them, especially on the typical dates but never finding them. Are bar L's a more rare DDO or just often overlooked?

[makecents]

Thanks Sheila, Rowdy and Viv for checking it out!

[eaxtellcoin]

I'm going to say, mainly overlooked. Usually not more of a PUP, "Pick Up Point" than just the Bar L. Yours at least also has part separation under the "B" which usually fades as the Die wears. I didn't go back and look at die state but that should help you on this coin.

[GrumpyEd]

Are bar L's a more rare DDO or just often overlooked?

I think it's one of those things that if you start looking for them you'll find more.

Some examples:

Bar Ls on many dates.
Doubling under LIBERTY (like 43 and the early 50s)
Extra eyelids (50s and other dates).
Bars above the 7 and bar Ls on 1970.
Doubled center columns on many years of memorials.
Doubled/extra fingers on 2009 cents.
Class 6 DDOs and DDRs on wheats.
Modern minor class 9s.

These are all things you can miss if you don't look for them but when you look they're pretty common.

The lowlight is that if those are the only doubling on the coin, they are hard to sell. People get excited to find or discover them but few people will pay face value plus postage to buy them. It's one of those things we learn, simply because it is a listed DDO/DDR does not mean we get rich. If you had a choice between a few thousand minor doubled dies or one nice 55 or 72 or 83 DDR you want the big one because the little ones are hard to sell for the cost of a stamp to mail, the big ones are a single sale and that ignores the other nightmare, do you want to ID a few thousand coins and take pics to convince buyers and try to sell thousands of 50 cent coins or sell a single easy to see variety.

This is another reason that some of us keep saying ignore minor stuff and quality issues, it's even worse. Try selling some coins with polishing marks or die cracks and it becomes something like you need to sell 10,000 of them in bulk with pics (if you lived long enough to sell them) and still be lucky to get more than the cost of postage to send them.

The best advice for people is search for fun not money, if you want money, search a lot faster and ignore the little stuff and search enough volume to find something big or very rare.

[makecents]

Thanks for all the input Eric and Ed!!

Eric, mine looks to be mid die state with some decent flow lines. I was surprised that the bar showed as well as it did but I think it was mostly due to the good condition of the coin, which is unusual for a 60's roll find.

Ed, I'm a bit of an oddity when it comes to searching and why I do it. I've sold several coins over the years and have learned the hard way, at times, what does and does not sell. I will sell a coin in a heartbeat but is not why I search. I have always loved to search for varieties and the thrill of finding something, large or small. I have used the analogy of ginseng hunting, if I find some, that is a great bonus but it's really the hunt for it that always excited me! Roll hunting is much the same for me.

[GrumpyEd]

I have used the analogy of ginseng hunting, if I find some, that is a great bonus but it's really the hunt for it that always excited me

Great way to look at it.
My own goal has been to break even, I spent a lot of time searching, found some good stuff that cancelled what I spent. Didn't really get ahead but have fun doing it and have some neat stuff from doing it

[Petespockets55]

Great way to look at it.
....... and have some neat stuff from doing it

And a smidgeon of experience for the time invested.

Congrats Jon.
I was seeing the same as Ed and Eric on the L & B of LIBERTY. And I also agree about the possibility of getting it listed increases if not many have been listed. As an example, I think getting a new 1960D RPM listed might be a little difficult!

[makecents]

And a smidgeon of experience for the time invested.

Congrats Jon.
I was seeing the same as Ed and Eric on the L & B of LIBERTY. And I also agree about the possibility of getting it listed increases if not many have been listed. As an example, I think getting a new 1960D RPM listed might be a little difficult!

Thanks Cliff!! It will go in the attribution pile that I have done nothing with yet. I agree that the experience is huge too, which is good, because I could find an entire roll of 55 DDO's and still not be making minimum wage. I just enjoy the search.

[jfines69]

Nice find Jon... Looks like a winner to me also... You found yours in a set and the 1st 2 on Wexlers and VVs are from Special Mint Sets (SMS)... Not sure about the area under the B tho... That part looks to be at a different angle compared to the L but light reflection could be playing tricks on me???

[makecents]

Nice find Jon... Looks like a winner to me also... You found yours in a set and the 1st 2 on Wexlers and VVs are from Special Mint Sets (SMS)... Not sure about the area under the B tho... That part looks to be at a different angle compared to the L but light reflection could be playing tricks on me???

Thanks Jim!! I went back and reworded my original statement about the Wexler listing, I could see how it was confusing. I pulled mine from a bank roll and was saying I didn't think Wexler's 002 was right because the listed coin came from a set and I could find no markers.

[GrumpyEd]

You found yours in a set

I thought he found it in a Loomis roll.

It does not have the look of a SMS coin.