Mouth Dropping drooling coin find!!!!!

[Jacob]

Thank you for doing that bud it made me realize how bad of a photographer I am . Seems like the die dot above the 9 is only thing I could capture in photo well enough . This makes me think its a slightly earlier die stage than overlay. Hopefully these pictures Im taking do better justice. The woody sucks at photographing .

[stoneman227]

This is the coin used for the overlay.

http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/showthread.php?40465-My-best-pick-ever-1934-DDO-004-FS-101&highlight=1934+ddo

John

[Jacob]

The dot above 3 and 9 is only thing that was captured in overlay . I think I finally got a better picture. I did the best I could to capture it even though a woody.

[Jacob]

I tilted the photo to match angle of video. Thanks bud.

[Jacob]

I don't get it I can see it under scope but only thing I can capture is that weird crap up in front of top 9 and die crack off tip of 9. Then weird crap inside top of 3. I can see it faintly in photos but what the????

[Jacob]

I even captured the die crack but can't capture what I really want to capture. Well here is the stupid die crack. And yes it matches blah.

[Jacob]

Of course here is the O in ONE.

[Petespockets55]

After your recent images, I'm more confused now more than before about why you are convinced this is that variety. Sorry to have to say this Jacob, but these images don't show the variety 1934p DDO-004/1DO-002. They actually convince me it isn't the variety.

1)Your image with the red line of the die crack shows it going to the point of the bust. The die crack is supposed to go up to the tail of the 9.
2)Your coin is not an earlier die state than the one in Stoneman's link. LIBERTY on his is very crisp and clear. (Not just because of the grade.)
3)The O of ONE isn't a marker on VV (LINK) or CC (LINK) as far as I know.
4)Some published reverse markers are the die dot above the right leg of the N (CENT), die scratch between RU, etc. etc.
Some published obverse markers are the die crack off the tail of the 9, diagonal die gouge between the ST of TRUST, etc. etc.
5)Many other markers on either site, that aren't on your coin.
6)Being a woody isn't the reason the images aren't showing up.

ps. First time I've seen an overlay like the one Stoneman put together. Neat and very well done John.
If you are still convinced, it's probably time to send it off to get slabbed.

[Jacob]

After your recent images, I'm more confused now more than before about why you are convinced this is that variety. Sorry to have to say this Jacob, but these images don't show the variety 1934p DDO-004/1DO-002. They actually convince me it isn't the variety.

1)Your image with the red line of the die crack shows it going to the point of the bust. The die crack is supposed to go up to the tail of the 9.
2)Your coin is not an earlier die state than the one in Stoneman's link. LIBERTY on his is very crisp and clear. (Not just because of the grade.)
3)The O of ONE isn't a marker on VV (LINK) or CC (LINK) as far as I know.
4)Some published reverse markers are the die dot above the right leg of the N (CENT), die scratch between RU, etc. etc.
Some published obverse markers are the die crack off the tail of the 9, diagonal die gouge between the ST of TRUST, etc. etc.
5)Many other markers on either site, that aren't on your coin.
6)Being a woody isn't the reason the images aren't showing up.

ps. First time I've seen an overlay like the one Stoneman put together. Neat and very well done John.
If you are still convinced, it's probably time to send it off to get slabbed.

Im done with the coin ugh. Also die crack does go to 9. I do agree that John did a good job and Thanks John.

[Jacob]

For the Record here's rest of die crack. And for the record being a woody is the problem.

[Jacob]

Dot 1 and Dot 2!

[Jacob]

Heres the 9 crack on other.

[GrumpyEd]

The overlay is great photography.

I think it's the most basic problem of doubled die attribution, the order.

First match the doubling for the variety, next check the mintmark location if it has one (this doesn't so skip it) only if that stuff matches then look for markers. If you jump to markers then it's a wild goose chase plus even if a coin was the variety in question, do you still want it if the variety is gone by wear or being a woody or the die state?

I know this variety is a bit different because the variety is so light in the first place, I can see looking for the markers to verify if you see part of the doubling but I'm not really seeing part of the doubling. Having the same thing on 2 coins makes me even more sure that it's the order messing with you. I can look at the pic of the unc in this thread (yea it's unc) and see it from a few feet from my monitor, I can hold the CPG a few feet away and see it, I can see the one on coppercoins but on both of these, with arrows, close ups and zooming in and I don't see them.

I hate to say that because you sound so convinced. If you can convince yourself and it's really something the pics can't show then get it attributed.

[Jacob]

The overlay is great photography.

I think it's the most basic problem of doubled die attribution, the order.

First match the doubling for the variety, next check the mintmark location if it has one (this doesn't so skip it) only if that stuff matches then look for markers. If you jump to markers then it's a wild goose chase plus even if a coin was the variety in question, do you still want it if the variety is gone by wear or being a woody or the die state?

I know this variety is a bit different because the variety is so light in the first place, I can see looking for the markers to verify if you see part of the doubling but I'm not really seeing part of the doubling. Having the same thing on 2 coins makes me even more sure that it's the order messing with you. I can look at the pic of the unc in this thread (yea it's unc) and see it from a few feet from my monitor, I can hold the CPG a few feet away and see it, I can see the one on coppercoins but on both of these, with arrows, close ups and zooming in and I don't see them.

I hate to say that because you sound so convinced. If you can convince yourself and it's really something the pics can't show then get it attributed.

They are both to worn to even get attributed. Its to hard to capture photos of this die variety. I have 2 now so Im happy but cant stand trying to photo this thing. For the record I found the variety before attempting markers otherwise I wouldn't of wasted time. I was just excited to share with everyone but deeply saddened over the fact cant capture it right.

[Jacob]

Finally captured 3 but still cant get 9 blah but you can see 3 area well in this photo.